Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:18:51
Subject: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12/06 |
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As many players noticed this morning the honor calculations were not run last night. This led to some confusion as there is a known issue when inspecting a player with no honor showing that they have a low number of honor (1-14). This number is in fact an error and is showing that player’s highest rank in the previous honor system, it is not an indication of how much honor they have earned.
We have run calculations for yesterday earlier this evening and players should now be seeing the honor they accumulated yesterday correctly displayed at the top of their honor window. This is the final honor from yesterday and can be spent on honor rewards. Players will see that the honor earned before from today have been reset to 0, this is only a display issue and no honor has been lost. The honor accumulated from earlier today will still be added to the total honor after tonight's calculation.
There is a second display issue affecting the “Today’s Honor” totals that may display an ellipses “…” instead of the estimated honor total. This can normally be temporarily corrected by either logging off and back in, or using the /console reloadui command. This issue is slated to be resolved in a future patch.
We've investigated some issues of bonus honor not appearing for certain players from yesterday and we're confident that this was due to the honor calculations being run at a time other than the time they’re normally scheduled to run. We anticipate that after the calculations tonight you will see the bonus honor from yesterday added in to your final total honor. We'll be continuing to keep an eye on the honor gained after the calculations this evening for any further issues.
We also have an update that is currently under development that will add the bonus honor to the estimated honor totals for each day before the calculation, allowing players to track the bonus honor as it's earned in their estimated total. This change will be implemented the next time the realms are restarted, likely with next week's maintenance.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:30:50
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
Why cant you make Honor points work like EXP points where they always show right after they are gained?, since they are now going to be gained and used on the fly for purchases? Whats the point for having this confusing calculation system that only shows some honor points and gives you earned honor the next day?
Honor is given at different amounts depending on the opponent you defeat. Doing those calculations on the fly would be extremely taxing on the realms if they attempted to calculate everyone being killed and how everyone involved got parsed out honor and in what amounts. If we are ever able to get to the point where the calculations are able to be done live we would certainly do so.
Right now we're actually in better shape as you'll be able to use your PvP "winnings" each day instead of needing to wait a full week for a rank update.
beyond the anthills of the dawning of this plague
i've lost my way
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:31:35
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
Drysc quick question I was pvping today since about 9AM EST till about the servers crashing (BGs) in Kel'Thuzad. Anywho all my honor points were wiped and I am wondering if they will show up today or tommorow. Thanks :)
The answer to that question is in the second paragraph of the original post. :)
beyond the anthills of the dawning of this plague
i've lost my way
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 20:16:42
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
If honor is updated daily. And you can't stockpile more than 90k honor. Does it means you can't make more than 90k honor per day?
That would be an amazing feat, but yes you're correct, you would cap out at a point.
beyond the anthills of the dawning of this plague
i've lost my way
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 20:41:05
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
Before installing the new patch I had close to 12000 honor points.
After the new patch had installed my honor displayed now is 600.
What happened to the honor I had accumulated already?
The old honor system was removed with the 2.0 patch. You can find more information at the link below.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/honor-system-faq.html
beyond the anthills of the dawning of this plague
i've lost my way
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:18:51
Subject: Honor Calculation and Display..-Updated 12/19 |
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Updated 12/19 -
Bonus honor is now shown added into the estimated honor totals.
Your estimated honor totals for the day already take into account the 30% honor reduction for both bonus honor and honorable kills announced here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=55975614&sid=1
In some cases if you are logged in when the nightly calculations are run a known display issue will cause your day’s honor totals to remain into the next day (aka they aren’t wiped). This can cause some confusion when attempting to track honor gained for the next day. You will still receive the appropriate amount of honor from the night's calculation, and you will not earn any additional honor from the improperly carried over estimates from the previous day.
When estimated honor totals for the current day surpass 6554 they will reset to 0 and begin to count over. This is simply a display bug and does not indicate that your previous estimate has been lost. Once the nightly calculation has been run you will receive the appropriate amount of honor for the entire day.
We have not been able to collect evidence or reproduce claims that honor is being reduced beyond the aforementioned 30%: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56617236&postId=574644618&sid=1#365
When inspecting another player you should no longer see their highest rank achieved and their total honor should now report as 0. This is a temporary fix to avoid confusion when inspecting other players and seeing small amounts of "honor".
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As many players noticed this morning the honor calculations were not run last night. This led to some confusion as there is a known issue when inspecting a player with no honor showing that they have a low number of honor (1-14). This number is in fact an error and is showing that player’s highest rank in the previous honor system, it is not an indication of how much honor they have earned.
We have run calculations for yesterday earlier this evening and players should now be seeing the honor they accumulated yesterday correctly displayed at the top of their honor window. This is the final honor from yesterday and can be spent on honor rewards. Players will see that the honor earned before from today have been reset to 0, this is only a display issue and no honor has been lost. The honor accumulated from earlier today will still be added to the total honor after tonight's calculation.
There is a second display issue affecting the “Today’s Honor” totals that may display an ellipses “…” instead of the estimated honor total. This can normally be temporarily corrected by either logging off and back in, or using the /console reloadui command. This issue is slated to be resolved in a future patch.
We've investigated some issues of bonus honor not appearing for certain players from yesterday and we're confident that this was due to the honor calculations being run at a time other than the time they’re normally scheduled to run. We anticipate that after the calculations tonight you will see the bonus honor from yesterday added in to your final total honor. We'll be continuing to keep an eye on the honor gained after the calculations this evening for any further issues.
We also have an update that is currently under development that will add the bonus honor to the estimated honor totals for each day before the calculation, allowing players to track the bonus honor as it's earned in their estimated total. This change will be implemented the next time the realms are restarted, likely with next week's maintenance.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-19 17:04:23
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
I agree 100%. It's idiotic that Blizzard can't have real-time honor earned like xp. To be so secretive and mucking around with the honor points and calculations is just fueling more distrust between players and developers.
/target Blizzard, /cast wakeupcall
Diminishing returns. The amount of honor you gain from killing the same player is subject to diminishing returns. If it were not then you could kill eachother infinitely and trade honor all the live long day.
The diminishing returns are calculated nightly as our current realm infrastructure is not able to process those diminishing returns for hundreds of thousands of players killing other players and how that estimates their honor during peak time. If at any time are able to/comfortable doing so then calculations could be done on the fly and honor awarded immediately, until then there are nightly calculations.
There are some UI mods that are able to track diminishing returns on the client. These work as they store information on the client machine and do not impact final statistics. If we were to have the honor awarded rely on client-stored data then it would easily be compromised and abused. It's necessary that we track kills and calculate honor server-side.
a brave man likes the feel of wind on his face
and a wise man knows when to get in out of the rain
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:18:51
Subject: Honor Calculation and Display..-Updated 12/19 |
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Updated 12/19 -
Bonus honor is now shown added into the estimated honor totals.
Your estimated honor totals for the day already take into account the 30% honor reduction (announced here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=55975614&sid=1) for both bonus honor and honorable kills.
In some cases if you are logged in when the nightly calculations are run a known display issue will cause your day’s honor totals to remain into the next day (aka they aren’t wiped). This can cause some confusion when attempting to track honor gained for the next day. You will still receive the appropriate amount of honor from the night's calculation, and you will not earn any additional honor from the improperly carried over estimates from the previous day.
When estimated honor totals for the current day surpass 6554 they will reset to 0 and begin to count over. This is simply a display bug and does not indicate that your previous estimate has been lost. Once the nightly calculation has been run you will receive the appropriate amount of honor for the entire day.
We have not been able to collect evidence or reproduce claims that honor is being reduced beyond the aforementioned 30%: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56617236&postId=574644618&sid=1#365
When inspecting another player you should no longer see their highest rank achieved and their total honor should now report as 0. This is a temporary fix to avoid confusion when inspecting other players and seeing small amounts of "honor".
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As many players noticed this morning the honor calculations were not run last night. This led to some confusion as there is a known issue when inspecting a player with no honor showing that they have a low number of honor (1-14). This number is in fact an error and is showing that player’s highest rank in the previous honor system, it is not an indication of how much honor they have earned.
We have run calculations for yesterday earlier this evening and players should now be seeing the honor they accumulated yesterday correctly displayed at the top of their honor window. This is the final honor from yesterday and can be spent on honor rewards. Players will see that the honor earned before from today have been reset to 0, this is only a display issue and no honor has been lost. The honor accumulated from earlier today will still be added to the total honor after tonight's calculation.
There is a second display issue affecting the “Today’s Honor” totals that may display an ellipses “…” instead of the estimated honor total. This can normally be temporarily corrected by either logging off and back in, or using the /console reloadui command. This issue is slated to be resolved in a future patch.
We've investigated some issues of bonus honor not appearing for certain players from yesterday and we're confident that this was due to the honor calculations being run at a time other than the time they’re normally scheduled to run. We anticipate that after the calculations tonight you will see the bonus honor from yesterday added in to your final total honor. We'll be continuing to keep an eye on the honor gained after the calculations this evening for any further issues.
We also have an update that is currently under development that will add the bonus honor to the estimated honor totals for each day before the calculation, allowing players to track the bonus honor as it's earned in their estimated total. This change will be implemented the next time the realms are restarted, likely with next week's maintenance.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-19 17:04:23
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
I agree 100%. It's idiotic that Blizzard can't have real-time honor earned like xp. To be so secretive and mucking around with the honor points and calculations is just fueling more distrust between players and developers.
/target Blizzard, /cast wakeupcall
Diminishing returns. The amount of honor you gain from killing the same player is subject to diminishing returns. If it were not then you could kill eachother infinitely and trade honor all the live long day.
The diminishing returns are calculated nightly as our current realm infrastructure is not able to process those diminishing returns for hundreds of thousands of players killing other players and how that estimates their honor during peak time. If at any time we're able to/comfortable doing so then calculations could be done on the fly and honor awarded immediately, until then there are nightly calculations.
There are some UI mods that are able to track diminishing returns on the client. These work as they store information on the client machine and do not impact final statistics. If we were to have the honor awarded rely on client-stored data then it would easily be compromised and abused. It's necessary that we track kills and calculate honor server-side.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:18:51
Subject: Honor Calculation and Display..-Updated 12/19 |
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Updated 12/19 -
Bonus honor is now shown added into the estimated honor totals.
Honor is always awarded relative to your character level versus the level of your opponent (bonus honor is always awarded equal to your level). A level 60 killing another level 60 will award 14 honor. As levels lower or differences become greater between opponents the amounts of honor that are awarded will change.
Your estimated honor totals for the day already take into account the 30% honor reduction (announced here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=55975614&sid=1) for both bonus honor and honorable kills.
In some cases if you are logged in when the nightly calculations are run a known display issue will cause your day’s honor totals to remain into the next day (aka they aren’t wiped). This can cause some confusion when attempting to track honor gained for the next day. You will still receive the appropriate amount of honor from the night's calculation, and you will not earn any additional honor from the improperly carried over estimates from the previous day.
When estimated honor totals for the current day surpass 6554 they will reset to 0 and begin to count over. This is simply a display bug and does not indicate that your previous estimate has been lost. Once the nightly calculation has been run you will receive the appropriate amount of honor for the entire day.
We have not been able to collect evidence or reproduce claims that honor is being reduced beyond the aforementioned 30%: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56617236&postId=574644618&sid=1#365
When inspecting another player you should no longer see their highest rank achieved and their total honor should now report as 0. This is a temporary fix to avoid confusion when inspecting other players and seeing small amounts of "honor".
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As many players noticed this morning the honor calculations were not run last night. This led to some confusion as there is a known issue when inspecting a player with no honor showing that they have a low number of honor (1-14). This number is in fact an error and is showing that player’s highest rank in the previous honor system, it is not an indication of how much honor they have earned.
We have run calculations for yesterday earlier this evening and players should now be seeing the honor they accumulated yesterday correctly displayed at the top of their honor window. This is the final honor from yesterday and can be spent on honor rewards. Players will see that the honor earned before from today have been reset to 0, this is only a display issue and no honor has been lost. The honor accumulated from earlier today will still be added to the total honor after tonight's calculation.
There is a second display issue affecting the “Today’s Honor” totals that may display an ellipses “…” instead of the estimated honor total. This can normally be temporarily corrected by either logging off and back in, or using the /console reloadui command. This issue is slated to be resolved in a future patch.
We've investigated some issues of bonus honor not appearing for certain players from yesterday and we're confident that this was due to the honor calculations being run at a time other than the time they’re normally scheduled to run. We anticipate that after the calculations tonight you will see the bonus honor from yesterday added in to your final total honor. We'll be continuing to keep an eye on the honor gained after the calculations this evening for any further issues.
We also have an update that is currently under development that will add the bonus honor to the estimated honor totals for each day before the calculation, allowing players to track the bonus honor as it's earned in their estimated total. This change will be implemented the next time the realms are restarted, likely with next week's maintenance.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-06 18:18:51
Subject: Honor Calculation and Display..-Updated 12/19 |
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Updated 12/19 -
Bonus honor is now added into the estimated honor totals as soon as you receive it.
Honor is always awarded relative to your character level versus the level of your opponent (bonus honor is always awarded equal to your level). A level 60 killing another level 60 will award 14 honor. As levels lower or differences become greater between opponents the amounts of honor that are awarded will change.
Your estimated honor totals for the day already take into account the 30% honor reduction (announced here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=55975614&sid=1) for both bonus honor and honorable kills.
In some cases if you are logged in when the nightly calculations are run a known display issue will cause your day’s honor totals to remain into the next day (aka they aren’t wiped). This can cause some confusion when attempting to track honor gained for the next day. You will still receive the appropriate amount of honor from the night's calculation, and you will not earn any additional honor from the improperly carried over estimates from the previous day.
When estimated honor totals for the current day surpass 6554 they will reset to 0 and begin to count over. This is simply a display bug and does not indicate that your previous estimate has been lost. Once the nightly calculation has been run you will receive the appropriate amount of honor for the entire day.
We have not been able to collect evidence or reproduce claims that honor is being reduced beyond the aforementioned 30%: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56617236&postId=574644618&sid=1#365
When inspecting another player you should no longer see their highest rank achieved and their total honor should now report as 0. This is a temporary fix to avoid confusion when inspecting other players and seeing small amounts of "honor".
- -
As many players noticed this morning the honor calculations were not run last night. This led to some confusion as there is a known issue when inspecting a player with no honor showing that they have a low number of honor (1-14). This number is in fact an error and is showing that player’s highest rank in the previous honor system, it is not an indication of how much honor they have earned.
We have run calculations for yesterday earlier this evening and players should now be seeing the honor they accumulated yesterday correctly displayed at the top of their honor window. This is the final honor from yesterday and can be spent on honor rewards. Players will see that the honor earned before from today have been reset to 0, this is only a display issue and no honor has been lost. The honor accumulated from earlier today will still be added to the total honor after tonight's calculation.
There is a second display issue affecting the “Today’s Honor” totals that may display an ellipses “…” instead of the estimated honor total. This can normally be temporarily corrected by either logging off and back in, or using the /console reloadui command. This issue is slated to be resolved in a future patch.
We've investigated some issues of bonus honor not appearing for certain players from yesterday and we're confident that this was due to the honor calculations being run at a time other than the time they’re normally scheduled to run. We anticipate that after the calculations tonight you will see the bonus honor from yesterday added in to your final total honor. We'll be continuing to keep an eye on the honor gained after the calculations this evening for any further issues.
We also have an update that is currently under development that will add the bonus honor to the estimated honor totals for each day before the calculation, allowing players to track the bonus honor as it's earned in their estimated total. This change will be implemented the next time the realms are restarted, likely with next week's maintenance.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-21 15:13:51
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display Issues - 12 |
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Q u o t e:
My problem lies in Diminishing Returns, I understand the concept and think it is a great idea but I constantly find myself queued for a BG that is already in progress. I get into said BG only to find that I get 0 honor for killing or being involved in killing someone for they have already been killed "10" times in said BG.
You have your own "relationship" with every other player as far as diminishing returns. Player A can kill player B 10 times until Player A no longer obtains honor. Player C can then also kill Player B 10 times and receive his own honor. Diminishing returns are dependent on you and your opponent, no one else factors in.
a brave man likes the feel of wind on his face
and a wise man knows when to get in out of the rain
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-21 15:15:29
Subject: Re: Honor Calculation and Display..-Updated 1 |
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Q u o t e:
So, everything seems to be in order. Although, the total honor estimate remained as "~...." all day until 10PM, there's no way I could verify how it could came up with 5k estimate at 10PM, everything after 10PM until the honor update at 1:30AM seems to be adding up correctly.
The original post for this thread states this is a known issue and can be temporarily corrected by either logging out and back in or using the /console reloadui command.
a brave man likes the feel of wind on his face
and a wise man knows when to get in out of the rain
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