Poster: Antizugzug at 2006-12-17 09:57:17
Subject: Honor Screw up? |
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Ok so I start friday with around 10k honor...
i run about 10 guild AB's... about 5 6minute 5 cap wins
and about 10 AV wins
I see my honor total for the day and its 2.5k... im like that can't be right....
so i log off to see if it recalculates in the morning....
I Wake up and start saturday with an honor estimate of 5k
I get to about 7k estimated for the day... log off for baout 2 hrs... log back on and it estimates i have 0 for the day....
sunday morning i check it and im at 14k....
WTF? I won roughly 20 AV's and lost roughly 20.... played about 25 AB's..... 10 5 caps wins.... and some WSG.... and only 4k?
What happened?
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 13:01:43
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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There are some honor display issues, which are only that, display issues and they don't affect the honor you're gaining. One of which seems to be that the previous day's total can carry over into "Today's Honor", giving a false idea that you're getting that amount of honor again.
There's no way for me to look at your games and try to find what's happening that's making your honor gains look odd to you, but we've been testing the system and we're not currently aware of any errors in how the actual honor is gained and calculated. The honor window may have various display issues, which we're working to correct in a future patch, but the display has no real bearing on your actual honor earned aside from the total honor at the top of the window. I can't say with certainty that everything you're seeing is due to display issues on the honor tab, but along with other variables it may explain some confusion.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 13:16:28
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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So is the total honor at the top of the window off also? If so I see this as a problem…
No, my point was that the honor window estimated honor and kill totals may be showing incorrect numbers, but the honor displayed at the top of the window (the honor you can spend) is correct.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 13:17:45
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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Then how does one explain an estimated value of say 2000 and only receiving 1000. when the day before i had not pvp'ed therefore no honor "could roll over again"?
As I said in my original post, the estimated values are currently known to have some display issues.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 14:55:01
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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Why is there any need for "estimated" honor. Now that the ranking system is out, it shoudl be absolute. You got X kills and Y bonus honor. Why isn't your honor updated instantly and with 100% accuracy?
Diminishing returns. The server calculating who killed who and how many times on the fly for hundreds of thousands of players during peak playing hours isn't a task they're currently set to handle. We batch process them during off-peak hours. If we ever get to a point where we can confidently do away with estimates and calculate everything on the fly then we would definitely do it.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 15:15:11
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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There's something going on. I've gone through a couple GM's already with no help. I watch my estimated honor closely. Yesterday I earned over 10,000 honor according to the estimate. However, about 7,000 honor into the day, after zoning out of AV, my honor for the day dropped to 29.
This is one of the known honor tab display issues. When estimated honor totals climb above 6554 they reset and begin to count over again, but it's simply a display issue, no honor is lost.
For instance let's say you gained an estimated 9000 honor in a day, your display would actually list 2446 as your estimated honor total for the day. (9000-6554=2446)
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 15:17:38
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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Then just get rid of Diminishing returns and It will be really simple to calculate on the fly.
While the current honor system allows players to gain high quality items easily enough, I don't think we're looking to actually give them away.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 15:26:59
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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My display honor for yesterday was a shade under 3.8k. Today when I logged in, I saw I had banked about 3.8k
Cool.
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and my honor for today was about 3.5k (hadn't pvped yet, so that was impossible);
This factors in to the display issue where previous day's will rollover if you're logged in during the calculations. It's a known display issue, and likely the cause of more than a few people's confusion.
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considering I lost about 25avs, and a handful of abs, I figured, that my bonus honor wasn't calculated and somehow got stuck in my earned for the day; no biggie, everything was adding up properly today as I was pvping.
I'm fairly certain at this moment that bonus honor is being added into the estimate honor total on the fly. Being Sunday there's no one here for me to verify that with, but as it is a feature we have been working to implement (last paragraph: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=53875399&sid=1), it wouldn't surprise me.
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Now, I was in AV and all the sudden, it reset and it's showing I had 0 honor earned, and ended now with 66 honor.
That would be the "6554" bug I just posted about.
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The problmes with it, and the display issues don't need to be fixed in a future patch; they need to be addressed now, becase I think they are more than just display issues and are leading to people, such as myself, to lose honor.
We're definitely working on as much as possible, but fixes for most of these issues can't be provided outside of a client-side patch. They actually can't cause you to lose honor though as the display and what the server records are separate. The server records exactly what happened, and your client is giving its best guess. There's going to be some slush there, but correcting the display issues will certainly go a long way in clearing up a lot of confusion.
We're continuing to test the system and attempting locate (thus far unsuccessfully) any errors that can't be attributed to display issues, and we'll be continuing to do so.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 16:12:35
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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Easily enough? Not if your casual. If you only get to play a few hours a day plan on grinding for the next 6 months.
Let's try to keep the sensationalism to a minimum.
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We have less than a month until BC comes out. Put things back the way they were so that evryone has a chance at getting some good gear before BC hits.
The new honor system and the current rewards aren't meant for everyone to have before the expansion releases. The system is much more forgiving and easy for a casual player to participate in, the rewards are much easier to get than they were even from a baseline time investment standpoint, by leaps and bounds, but we never intended to gear everyone up before the expansion releases. With the new honor system, even post nerf, you could say that we did and sound like you know what you're talking about because, hey, it's pretty easy to get the stuff.
However, anyone could also say that with the new honor system that relative investment for gear got stuck on a nail as it was thrown out the window, it's flapping in the breeze, only barely caught by a 30% nail.
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Because as it is only the people that can play 10+ hours aday are getting anything.
I've played for 1 day on an honor weekend and three weeknights so far of relaxed PvP, and I can afford my shoulders. A minor investment for a pretty damn good reward, if I do say so. Now how long would I play to get shoulders of somewhat equal stats from a dungeon?
There's some idea that everyone should be allowed to gear up easily because hey, it doesn't matter when the expansion comes out. I agree, that's a great argument because I'm fighting for good gear for a minimal investment, and that's a good fight to fight because ... I want a cool looking stave.
You have to take into account what that actually means though in relation to the expansion.
From our standpoint increasing the percentage of players who are geared to a certain level or above rushing in to the expansion, bypassing or able to race through content, sharding gear they would have otherwise worn, and basically trampling all over a good portion of the balance and work put in to the new world is something we take seriously. There is a good amount of work put into pacing a game, just like a movie. Pacing a game based on a relative idea of what the majority of players are going to be coming into that area with stat/gear-wise. When our idea of what most people are going to have is lower than what actually occurs then a large portion of our pacing is off, which in turn actually makes for a less enjoyable experience for those players. The feeling of advancement is lost for a good portion of time, it can alter the economy heavily, and it legitimately causes a different experience than we had intended for players to enjoy.
The idea of the nerf itself was of course not something we enjoyed, if we could have avoided it we would. It's not our outlook to simply throw wrenches into the cogs of the game for our own pleasure, and it's usually done at our own disappointment for needing to do so for the betterment of the game.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 16:23:46
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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But, simply put, is there a possibility things will change before the expansion?
Can you expand on "things"? :)
I can't say I know what you're asking about.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 16:31:47
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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Yes. I can. With the way that Honor is being looked at in the current patch, and how fast/slow it is being acquired, is there any possibility that the gains will be looked at and adjusted now that things have toned down. The new patch has lost it's "brand new" feeling (a little at least.), and PvP has changed accordingly. I don't have the hard data to say how much, which is why I'm asking. That help explain what I mean?
Like, are we going to remove the 30% reduction? No plans at this time, but anything is subject to change.
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Poster: Drysc at 2006-12-17 18:00:23
Subject: Re: Honor Screw up? |
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When can we expect an update as to if there is currently a double 30% or not. I am not implying there is one either way - I would just like to know when we are going to get "Working as intended" if things are indeed working as they should or otherwise.
I believe it was provided in a post on Friday, that's my day off and I remember seeing it from home, but I only know that it was posted and not where or by whom. I can try to find it if needed.
To just repeat in my own words though; our testing has not shown anything beyond the normal 30% reduction being applied to honor. We're continuing to test claims, the system as a whole, and working to fix some of the known display issues occurring. At this time though we haven't encountered any evidence that would lead us to believe that the calculations are being done incorrectly.
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