Poster: Thorinar at 7/5/2006 8:48:56 AM PDT
Subject: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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I got my warrior to sixty a few months ago and have really enjoyed pvp'ing with him. I've pretty much learned what to do against each class that will give me the best chance to live. A constant point of frustration I have, however, is fighting classes that pop absorbtion shields (Preists, Mages, any class that uses the BG's trinket). Not only do they absorb the damage I do but I dont gain any rage from hitting them so I have even more trouble getting the shield down.
Example: A priest throws up PW:Shield and I Mortal Strike them, leaving me with no rage left. A few auto attacks later, when I normally should have enough rage for another MS, I finally manage to get the shield down... But I have no rage to use any abilities.
Why cant we generate rage against absorption spells? We're still doing melee damage (unlike against an invulnerability shield) but its just not taking off the HP. Normal rage generation should continue!
Personally if you think about "rage" it should piss a warrior off more when someone pops a shield so we should get angrier and generate more rage!
I changed my sig so Eyonix would post.
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 10:55:35 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Think of it as a soothing mist eminating from the shield. Like one of those pretentious, little spray bottles of mineral water that my girlfriend douses herself with on hot days.
You're dealing damage but you aren't doing damage. Part of rage is the smell of blood and if there's no blood, there's no rage.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 11:26:12 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Look at all the touchy people this morning.
Somehow, the 'popping enrage' schtick should probably be directed at someone other than me.
Fine, you want a serious answer that deals with class balance in a respectful and professional manner? You don't wanna kid around?
We're not going to give you rage generation every time you swing your damn weapon. You aren't going to generate rage just for waking up in the morning. You aren't going to generate rage just because you tab-targetted somebody.
There are situations in which damage will not equal rage. One of these situations is when the damage is absorbed. Yes, it is a counter for casters with shields. Not the biggest obstacle in the world. I'm sure you can overcome.
Or, you could go ahead and make this the flavor of the day and tell everyone that no rage from damage absorption is gimping your class. The humanity. How do you guys manage to compete at all?
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 11:32:17 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
...sigh ok here's the deal.
T-man up there is a really funny guy...no really he is and i enjoy his comments BUT, he really knows nothing at all about warriors in general.
So when he posts on these forums laugh at his Witty Briliance, don't get all upset about the issue cause he really doesn't know anything about it.
Need Proof? here's a Quote from T about the Enrage Nerf a while back read it and figure it out for yourself.
Read the quote below its from Mr. T himself
"That's ok. I commented on the warrior forums about this before, but the thread may be lost or consumed.
Enrage was being used in excess in PvP situations. Some warriors would pop it as soon as the cooldown expired, attempting to stay in a perpetual state of enragement. Coupled with Mortal Strike, this caused an inordinate deal of damage overall (or sustained damage throughout the situation). While this change seemed to affect fury-build warriors the most, the intent was to lessen the combination of Enrage and Mortal Strike. To that end, Bloodthirst was buffed to keep potential DPS within the Fury tree, but lessen the overall DPS of MS in combo with Enrage."
Sorry T :(
That the community has tried to use one mistake made months ago as complete and utter ignorance of class issues or the game in general is juvenile at best.
Heck, I'm just glad you had the whole comment for the context and not just the snippet.
I've gotten past my mistake, shame that the community hasn't done the same.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 11:33:06 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
How about you give a real answer, or don't bother posting. No rage on shields is utter crap.
How about you read the rest of the thread, band-wagoneer.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 11:58:46 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
The point isn't that Tseric didn't know that you have to be crit for enrage to work
No, the point is that I didn't remember it at the time. The same explanation that I referenced in that post contained enrage as a passive ability. I basically explained myself twice, but the second time I shot-from-the-hip and missed.
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the point is that tseric had never actually played the class before
Wrong. What you are looking for is someone that mirrors or exceeds your own play experience. What I will say is that I haven't PvP'd a heck of a lot with a warrior, so when the enrage situation was described to me, I ran with that. Funny how the explanation still stands, but people only take issue with the minor details.
Q u o t e:
The point is now we know you haven't played a warrior, and that explains so, so much.
Not really. What it does do is provide you with a handy excuse to dismiss anything I say without having to provide reasoning to back it up. You can clearly see it in this thread.
Why is damage absorption such an issue? OH MY GOD IT'S SO OBVIOUS NOOB. HOW COULD YOU EVEN ASK THAT!!!
You conveniently avoid the issue and ridicule me at the same time! Brilliant!
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When I finally get the shield away through auto attacking, because of my pitiful damage and slow weapon speed, the weakened soul effect is up and the priest can bubble again. i'm still doing no damage, still auto attacking, and am still able to do absolutley none of my special abilities.
So, priests can hold their own against a warrior in 1-on-1. Why exactly is this a problem? Should you be able to easily generate rage to trivialize the shield? Devs don't think so. How does your opinion differ?[ post edited by Tseric ]
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 12:15:54 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
The point is that they can hold their own against us, but we can't against them when we cannot generate rage thanks to their damage absorbing shield. If I dump my available rage into a MS, HS, or whirlwind I will quickly exhaust it and be resigned to auto attacking the shield until I have depleted its absorption capacity. Then I can begin to generate rage, but at this point I have been a considerable amount of dmg and the edge is distinctly in the priests favor. That is the problem, one you fail to properly address.
But, this is sort of the whole point with the design of shields and damage. The shield is meant to prevent damage. However, if rage generation carried on as if damage was being dealt, this greatly increases the capacity of a warrior to deal greater and greater amounts and lower the shields duration and effectiveness. More rage, less shield.
If a priest is then able to recast and repeat, it ends in different ways. In a 1-to-1, warrior dies. In group PvP, someone else might be attacking the priest and assisting a win.
I mean, this is kind of basic, R-P-S design philosophy that has been like this for some time. We don't look at it as something accidental or unintended, therefore we don't see it as a 'problem', but as a 'challenge'.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 12:20:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
But the REALITY is not all warriors are built the same. You base balance on the baseline, the things everyone has. Just because GM/HWL warriors and people decked out like crazy can pull off impressive numbers doesn't mean Johnny Ice Barbed Spear is on the same playing field, because he isn't.
And you know what? The warrior community isn't the only group aware of this fact. It is a myth held by this community that we balance the class around high-end gear. A myth.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 12:24:26 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
by a CM who was just trying to lighten the mood in this dump
QFE
But, you know what they say about good intentions...
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 1:07:08 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
A blue finally saw a post about rage generation with shields! Thank god! we are saved! he will explain everything! he might event talk to the devs! the world will make sense again!
Perhaps you shouldn't expect all of your problems to be solved by a message board. You expect a whole lot, here. Can you honestly be surprised if I don't live up to your expectations? I am, after all, just a man.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 1:11:00 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
Your statement does not agree with your sig.
And where does it conflict, exactly?
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 1:11:00 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Your statement does not agree with your sig.
And where does it conflict, exactly?
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 4:23:24 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
Tseric, do you -ever- stop spewing useless Bullsh!t?
Why should I, when it gives me the opportunity to see people like you taking pot-shots and acting tough on page 17?
I hope that your comment gave you some sense of self-worth, because it's all your going to get from these forums for a while. Later.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 4:25:56 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
Look! He admitted it was a load of crap! Yay!
Don't be fatuous, Jeffery.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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Poster: Tseric at 7/5/2006 4:27:06 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Rage generation with Absorbtion shields. |
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Q u o t e:
i hope this is a big joke!
It started as one, but no one laughed. Then it got serious pretty quick.
If we don't expect, we have all things
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