Poster: Sakari at 10/15/2005 4:55:08 AM PDT
Subject: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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.... the fire underneath my bum is currently a bit of a wager between certain members of the Community Team on who can get their 50ish character to 60 first. I was 50 on Tuesday; I'm 55 now, and climbing all the time. It's a fresh challenge, a true test of game knowledge and powerlevelling dedication, and the style difference between myself (mostly solo, as a Rogue) and the others (grouping primarily) is showing interesting results. I'm currently in the lead.
I hate to be a jerk and all, and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong about all this, but does it bother anyone else that the CMs dont have level 60s? Cay is vague and all, but I would personaly like to know which CMs dont have a single level 60 character... are they the class reps? I sure hope not. Cause I know if Tyren doesnt have a level 60 rogue thats been to MC at least a few times, how can he possibly have any idea what life is like for a rogue at 60?
In fact, what blizzard employees have 60s and which dont? I mean, just being max level and expiriencing end-game content and play has colored my perceptions on a lot of things I imagine.. Is it too much to ask that the people who supposedly represent us to the Dev types, our community mods, are on the same page with us the players? Shouldnt they be expiriencing more or less what we are expiriencing? I realize they all must be bored to tears with this game by now, even if they dont have level 60s (I mean, nobody wants to play a game they've been a GM for) ... but shouldnt it be part of their job?
Am I crazy? Am I the only one that is bothered by this? Or did I miss the memo that said all the class reps have level 60s in the class they are supposedly representing, have played them to an average extent, expirienced end-game raid content, end-game pvp, world pvp, and at least SOME of the bugs that we, the regular old playerbase have enjoyed?
This sounds like insanity to me, so PLEASE.. Tyren.. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I am begging you from the bottom of my heart.. come to us and at least, at the very least, take a minute out of your business and your reading of our poorly thought out jumble of posts in which you are tasked with finding some useful feedback and tell us, truthfully and honestly, as I couldnt possibly ask you to give us a name and realm (thats a fate I would wish on no one).. Do you have a level 60 rogue? Have you been to MC? Onyxia? BWL? ZG maybe? Have you spent time in AV, AB, WSG? Have you been playing on a pve realm, or a pvp realm? Give us your qualifications, tell us that you are playing the same game we are, this is not too much to ask.
[Edit]: Its been brought to my attention that any CM can post on any feedback forum.. so let me broaden my request.. does ANYONE have a level 60 rogue over there with the above expirience? Please let us know..
Thanks[ post edited by Sakari ]
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post665963 | | | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 9:25:51 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Your rant would have merit if those were our highest level characters.
I've been 60 since early this year on my Druid. I also have a 57 Shaman, a 55 (for the moment) Rogue, and a 40 Hunter. That's not even counting my numerous alts. I just barely edged out Tyren hitting 60 -- he's had his 60 Rogue about as long as I've had my 60 Druid, and in beta he hit 60 very quickly on his Rogue then, also.
We're not giving you names and realms. We play as anonymous players -- to give you specific character information would completely tank the entire point of playing the game: to experience it as players do. He's raided, and he's on a PvP realm. I'm on PvE. Thus we have a decent breadth of experience on the team.
It is naturally encouraged in the team to know the game -- that's why we play so many characters! So please, don't assume. We have multiple high level characters.
I sport a Tauren-sized browncoat...
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post666327 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 10:38:00 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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She wants you to sit down, shut up and not bother Blizzard with trifling complaints.
Obviously reams and reams of posts, well constructed and rant alike, hold no water.
The fact is, none of the CMs actively play 60 rogues. As just about everyone realizes, there is a great difference between a 60 born today and a 60 with months of end game behind them. Posting that a level 55 toon isn't feeling the burn is mostly insulting to the rest that have offered up observations based on experience in the field.
And, no, end game experience as a druid has no bearing on end game experience as a rogue.
How about hiring someone that *has* been playing a rogue since release, with plenty of level 60 time in? They would be qualified to speak.
Regarding the constant reminder that there are no community reps assigned to a specific class .. well .. maybe there should be.
Interesting that you know the facts, despite my fact that Tyren has had a level 60 Rogue since early this year, plays on a PvP realm, and has been involved in raids.
I would think we're a bit more knowledgeable of who has what on the Community Team than you. ;)[ post edited by Caydiem ]
I sport a Tauren-sized browncoat...
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post666429 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 7:14:21 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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And I would think that the thousands upon thousands of rogues who have been level 60 for better then 6 months now would have a much better idea of what is broken and what is not then one level 60 rogue who, as you repeat over and over, is not a class rep and plays other toons as well. Cay you contradict yourself almost constantly, let me ask you a really simple question...
Why is it better to have a larger number of people beta test a product as opposed to one person test?
Answer being a larger player pool will notice flaws, bugs, etc much more frequently then one person, now apply that same train of thought to the rogue problems, or any class for that matter. You have a level 55 rogue, Tyren has a level 60, and i will go so far as to say maybe 10 more Blizz people have level 60 rogues as well. How do you think that stacks up to the very large number of players that play rogues?
Are you saying that you and the few of your co-workers are better at this then the large group of any players from any class? The answer is a resounding no, it's not possible. I get tired of public relations reps that tell us that they know better, it just gets old, couple that with the insulting way in which they do it and then it turns offensive.
I am sorry for the abuse you have to put up with on these forums but that's part of the job description as is all jobs that deal with the public, to quote a famous line, It's fine, learn your job.
As I have said no less than six times on this forum in the past twenty-four hours:
We DO NOT take our personal feedback to the developers. We take YOUR feedback. That's why we ask you to post in a concise and constructive manner -- so we can more easily bring your concerns to those who should hear them.
Assuming we're clear on that score, I'll continue.
There are some people who are of the belief that those who collect the feedback should "share their pain" by being an "expert" in the class -- though the jury's still out on what being an expert entails. Normally, if you ask a player what they're looking for in their "representative", they'll ask for someone who has experienced the game precisely the same way they have. If they have a slightly larger worldview, they might ask for someone who has played all specs and all realm types. However, it is not cost efficient at this time to employ 50+ people to be playing a particular spec and give feedback on it constantly. Not when we have thousands of players willing to voice their concerns and get the true feel of the community. We are a team of six, we're not "class representatives" but community representatives, and relating community feedback is what we do.
Now, I state that I have a Rogue. This does many different things for different people, but I want you to understand what I'm confirming when I say "I play a Rogue". It means I have a good frame of reference to use when communicating your feedback. I don't have to say "Uh, so apparently there's this ability called... um... Spinster Strike? And it got nerfed, or something... and uh... they don't like that." That's useless. I know what Sinister Strike does. I know it was affected by the instant attack change, and I know why the Rogue players are upset about it. Using your words, I can then speak with the developers and hold an intelligent conversation with them about the situation, because I have that frame of reference. I know your abilities. I know what's used most often in PvP and PvE. I know the utility of the class and the issues surrounding stealth.
That's what I'm saying when I say "I play a Rogue." It's not "Hi. I'm an expert in all things Rogue, I know better than you, they're fine, be quiet." Instead, it's "Hi. I understand the Rogue class, and through that understanding, I'm telling the developers your concerns. At the moment, they feel the class is more or less fine on the whole, but your thoughts are being communicated to them and they're listening."
So, to summarize and refute your post briefly:
No, my one Rogue does not grant me more knowledge than the Rogue community on the class.
No, I'm not better at "this" (playing a Rogue? Giving feedback on the class? Either way) than the Rogue community.
Yes, I know how to do my job. Unfortunately, many people misinterpret what that job is, or put words in my mouth that were never there.
Are we clear now?[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post667295 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 8:19:43 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Clear as mud, apparently.
Once again, Rabaan, you are putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
I will lay this down one more time for you.
I want you to post your feedback here. We take this feedback to the developers because they do want to know where the community stands on these topics. They may not always change things based on that feedback, but they do listen, and a great deal has changed according to player feedback in the past.
Now... as it currently stands, the developers do not view the Rogue review as high priority. In comparison with other classes, your talent trees are fairly diverse and viable. Does that mean the class is perfect? No. Does that mean you may have to wait a bit to see full attention come around to you? Yes. Does that mean your feedback is worthless? Not at all. Your feedback is worth a great deal.
Now, obviously, we start soliciting feedback more heavily when the time comes for a review. Your time is not yet here on that score. But that does not mean we don't take your concerns to the developers, and that does not mean no changes to the class will occur until that time.
I post to encourage feedback, to give information when I have it, and -- it seems quite a bit lately -- to clarify when misinformation and assumptions are presented, since many take silence for acceptance.
Put simply, Rabaan: you're wrong. What I've said above is the truth of matters. I would suggest no longer putting words in my mouth, as I have warned you twice and explained my position quite clearly. Continue this practice and it will be considered trolling. You are welcome to debate, but do not claim I stated something that I did not.
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post667395 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 8:28:40 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Caydiem... most people won't see this, being on the 3rd page and all. Perhaps copy and paste it under the first post on the thread, or perhaps start a sticky with these arguments.... Just want to make sure the majority of people coming here see this stuff =/
I would rather not draw further attention to those who are so actively seeking it. If people want to see my posts in this forum, all they have to do is click the magnifying glass next to my name. This is nothing I haven't stated before.
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post667405 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 12:29:02 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Second, when our CM gives an opinion to the devs, how valid is it when shes not lvl 60?.
Like if the devs ask her, how do YOU feel is the rogue class right now? I bet she'll say, is fine. Because rogues are fine before lvl 60, but then its start going down the drain. But until she gets to 60 i dont think she really knows.
I would prefer not having a CM, than a CM that gives an incorrect impression of the class to the devs.
The developers don't ask me my personal impression of the class. That's not my job and that's not what they want to hear. It's "valid" because I'm giving them YOUR feedback, and I have a frame of reference from my own personal play to better relate what YOUR concerns are. The developers (unlike the players) do not judge me on whether or not I have a 60 of that class, because they understand that's not really important for this particular activity.
Now, I want to make one thing very clear to you.
I can sympathize with your situation without being in it myself. I play a Rogue, so I have a perfectly functional frame of reference when I read your concerns. Never once do I find myself thinking, "I have no idea what this person is talking about," because I know what Rogues do and can therefore comprehend why that particular concern is there. Also, I have been playing MMOGs since 1997. That's eight years of being a player under my belt -- with all manner of characters. Tanks, healers, hybrids, DPS, I've done it all -- and as a long-time player, I know well where frustrations begin and why players feel the way I do. Why? Because I've been there. I may not be in your specific situation right this very instant, but I know the class, I know there are elements of every game that can cause concern for players, and I can use my past knowledge and understanding of our current game to help you.
I've explained what they ask and why that isn't a concern explicitly in this thread alone -- if you're still unsure, please go back and read what I've said prior.
And now I'm going to say it straight out, similar to what I did with the Hunters:
You're not getting a CM that has been through everything you specifically have. That's never going to happen. What you will get is a CM that understands your class, sympathizes with your concerns, and can effectively communicate them to the developers.
I make the same statement to you, Kurgan, as I made earlier to someone else. Do you think the Hunters came out of their review well? Many people do.
I had a 30 Hunter at the time which I'd played in both PvP and PvE. That's it. Now, naturally, there's no way that particular character would experience the vast majority of the concerns that players were voicing. But what that character did for me was provide a decent frame of reference so that I could debate their side convincingly. Their words. Their feedback. Not mine.
You won't get your "dream" CM. We're what you have. I would suggest working with us instead of against us.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668730 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 1:00:45 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Plumus, you're correct in that this isn't the thread to post your thoughts on the Rogue class. I've already explained where to post them -- outside these threads. [ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668820 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 1:06:03 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Still confused Caydiem.... You say outside these threads, meaning start NEW threads with viable concerns? and perhaps in those threads post only concerns...? I'm a bit confused.... So rogue forums im taking it, but with new threads? Sorry... =/
Yes. In this forum, but not in these threads that are clearly not directly addressing concerns. Any posts that are off the topic being discussed -- posted in these threads in an attempt to get attention -- are ignored.
I've already explained that we're here and reading, and if you don't get a "blue", that doesn't mean we didn't read your post. We'll give you information from the developers when we have that information to give; until that time, please do not expect a great deal.
EDIT: You misunderstood me, Killbot. We're not soliciting specific feedback at this time. Just post as you normally do.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668832 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 1:14:39 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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Then why did Tyren ask for our feedback? That is what is confusing me.
He gave it to the developers. He also stated that the time for feedback soliciting was done. We still give them feedback, but at the moment, we're not in feedback hyperdrive as we tend to be when a class is up for review. That's reserved for Paladins at the moment.
Killbot, please cease attempting to make a consolidated feedback thread -- just post your concerns as you usually would.
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668849 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/17/2005 12:58:36 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) |
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If you look @ the animated portrait.. Caydiem's character is clearly a male.
I don't know where it started that he is a she, but it's wrong.
I'm female.
I play male characters.
Some people seem to have a problem accepting that. ;)
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post670231 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 7:14:21 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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And I would think that the thousands upon thousands of rogues who have been level 60 for better then 6 months now would have a much better idea of what is broken and what is not then one level 60 rogue who, as you repeat over and over, is not a class rep and plays other toons as well. Cay you contradict yourself almost constantly, let me ask you a really simple question...
Why is it better to have a larger number of people beta test a product as opposed to one person test?
Answer being a larger player pool will notice flaws, bugs, etc much more frequently then one person, now apply that same train of thought to the rogue problems, or any class for that matter. You have a level 55 rogue, Tyren has a level 60, and i will go so far as to say maybe 10 more Blizz people have level 60 rogues as well. How do you think that stacks up to the very large number of players that play rogues?
Are you saying that you and the few of your co-workers are better at this then the large group of any players from any class? The answer is a resounding no, it's not possible. I get tired of public relations reps that tell us that they know better, it just gets old, couple that with the insulting way in which they do it and then it turns offensive.
I am sorry for the abuse you have to put up with on these forums but that's part of the job description as is all jobs that deal with the public, to quote a famous line, It's fine, learn your job.
As I have said no less than six times on this forum in the past twenty-four hours:
We DO NOT take our personal feedback to the developers. We take YOUR feedback. That's why we ask you to post in a concise and constructive manner -- so we can more easily bring your concerns to those who should hear them.
Assuming we're clear on that score, I'll continue.
There are some people who are of the belief that those who collect the feedback should "share their pain" by being an "expert" in the class -- though the jury's still out on what being an expert entails. Normally, if you ask a player what they're looking for in their "representative", they'll ask for someone who has experienced the game precisely the same way they have. If they have a slightly larger worldview, they might ask for someone who has played all specs and all realm types. However, it is not cost efficient at this time to employ 50+ people to be playing a particular spec and give feedback on it constantly. Not when we have thousands of players willing to voice their concerns and get the true feel of the community. We are a team of six, we're not "class representatives" but community representatives, and relating community feedback is what we do.
Now, I state that I have a Rogue. This does many different things for different people, but I want you to understand what I'm confirming when I say "I play a Rogue". It means I have a good frame of reference to use when communicating your feedback. I don't have to say "Uh, so apparently there's this ability called... um... Spinster Strike? And it got nerfed, or something... and uh... they don't like that." That's useless. I know what Sinister Strike does. I know it was affected by the instant attack change, and I know why the Rogue players are upset about it. Using your words, I can then speak with the developers and hold an intelligent conversation with them about the situation, because I have that frame of reference. I know your abilities. I know what's used most often in PvP and PvE. I know the utility of the class and the issues surrounding stealth.
That's what I'm saying when I say "I play a Rogue." It's not "Hi. I'm an expert in all things Rogue, I know better than you, they're fine, be quiet." Instead, it's "Hi. I understand the Rogue class, and through that understanding, I'm telling the developers your concerns. At the moment, they feel the class is more or less fine on the whole, but your thoughts are being communicated to them and they're listening."
So, to summarize and refute your post briefly:
No, my one Rogue does not grant me more knowledge than the Rogue community on the class.
No, I'm not better at "this" (playing a Rogue? Giving feedback on the class? Either way) than the Rogue community.
Yes, I know how to do my job. Unfortunately, many people misinterpret what that job is, or put words in my mouth that were never there.
Are we clear now?[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post667295 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 8:19:43 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Clear as mud, apparently.
Once again, Rabaan, you are putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
I will lay this down one more time for you.
I want you to post your feedback here. We take this feedback to the developers because they do want to know where the community stands on these topics. They may not always change things based on that feedback, but they do listen, and a great deal has changed according to player feedback in the past.
Now... as it currently stands, the developers do not view the Rogue review as high priority. In comparison with other classes, your talent trees are fairly diverse and viable. Does that mean the class is perfect? No. Does that mean you may have to wait a bit to see full attention come around to you? Yes. Does that mean your feedback is worthless? Not at all. Your feedback is worth a great deal.
Now, obviously, we start soliciting feedback more heavily when the time comes for a review. Your time is not yet here on that score. But that does not mean we don't take your concerns to the developers, and that does not mean no changes to the class will occur until that time.
I post to encourage feedback, to give information when I have it, and -- it seems quite a bit lately -- to clarify when misinformation and assumptions are presented, since many take silence for acceptance.
Put simply, Rabaan: you're wrong. What I've said above is the truth of matters. I would suggest no longer putting words in my mouth, as I have warned you twice and explained my position quite clearly. Continue this practice and it will be considered trolling. You are welcome to debate, but do not claim I stated something that I did not.
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post667395 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/15/2005 8:28:40 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Caydiem... most people won't see this, being on the 3rd page and all. Perhaps copy and paste it under the first post on the thread, or perhaps start a sticky with these arguments.... Just want to make sure the majority of people coming here see this stuff =/
I would rather not draw further attention to those who are so actively seeking it. If people want to see my posts in this forum, all they have to do is click the magnifying glass next to my name. This is nothing I haven't stated before.
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post667405 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 12:29:02 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Second, when our CM gives an opinion to the devs, how valid is it when shes not lvl 60?.
Like if the devs ask her, how do YOU feel is the rogue class right now? I bet she'll say, is fine. Because rogues are fine before lvl 60, but then its start going down the drain. But until she gets to 60 i dont think she really knows.
I would prefer not having a CM, than a CM that gives an incorrect impression of the class to the devs.
The developers don't ask me my personal impression of the class. That's not my job and that's not what they want to hear. It's "valid" because I'm giving them YOUR feedback, and I have a frame of reference from my own personal play to better relate what YOUR concerns are. The developers (unlike the players) do not judge me on whether or not I have a 60 of that class, because they understand that's not really important for this particular activity.
Now, I want to make one thing very clear to you.
I can sympathize with your situation without being in it myself. I play a Rogue, so I have a perfectly functional frame of reference when I read your concerns. Never once do I find myself thinking, "I have no idea what this person is talking about," because I know what Rogues do and can therefore comprehend why that particular concern is there. Also, I have been playing MMOGs since 1997. That's eight years of being a player under my belt -- with all manner of characters. Tanks, healers, hybrids, DPS, I've done it all -- and as a long-time player, I know well where frustrations begin and why players feel the way I do. Why? Because I've been there. I may not be in your specific situation right this very instant, but I know the class, I know there are elements of every game that can cause concern for players, and I can use my past knowledge and understanding of our current game to help you.
I've explained what they ask and why that isn't a concern explicitly in this thread alone -- if you're still unsure, please go back and read what I've said prior.
And now I'm going to say it straight out, similar to what I did with the Hunters:
You're not getting a CM that has been through everything you specifically have. That's never going to happen. What you will get is a CM that understands your class, sympathizes with your concerns, and can effectively communicate them to the developers.
I make the same statement to you, Kurgan, as I made earlier to someone else. Do you think the Hunters came out of their review well? Many people do.
I had a 30 Hunter at the time which I'd played in both PvP and PvE. That's it. Now, naturally, there's no way that particular character would experience the vast majority of the concerns that players were voicing. But what that character did for me was provide a decent frame of reference so that I could debate their side convincingly. Their words. Their feedback. Not mine.
You won't get your "dream" CM. We're what you have. I would suggest working with us instead of against us.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668730 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 1:00:45 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Plumus, you're correct in that this isn't the thread to post your thoughts on the Rogue class. I've already explained where to post them -- outside these threads. [ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668820 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 1:06:03 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Still confused Caydiem.... You say outside these threads, meaning start NEW threads with viable concerns? and perhaps in those threads post only concerns...? I'm a bit confused.... So rogue forums im taking it, but with new threads? Sorry... =/
Yes. In this forum, but not in these threads that are clearly not directly addressing concerns. Any posts that are off the topic being discussed -- posted in these threads in an attempt to get attention -- are ignored.
I've already explained that we're here and reading, and if you don't get a "blue", that doesn't mean we didn't read your post. We'll give you information from the developers when we have that information to give; until that time, please do not expect a great deal.
EDIT: You misunderstood me, Killbot. We're not soliciting specific feedback at this time. Just post as you normally do.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668832 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/16/2005 1:14:39 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Then why did Tyren ask for our feedback? That is what is confusing me.
He gave it to the developers. He also stated that the time for feedback soliciting was done. We still give them feedback, but at the moment, we're not in feedback hyperdrive as we tend to be when a class is up for review. That's reserved for Paladins at the moment.
Killbot, please cease attempting to make a consolidated feedback thread -- just post your concerns as you usually would.
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=665963&p=#post668849 | Poster: Caydiem at 10/17/2005 12:58:36 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Our Community Mods (Rant) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
If you look @ the animated portrait.. Caydiem's character is clearly a male.
I don't know where it started that he is a she, but it's wrong.
I'm female.
I play male characters.
Some people seem to have a problem accepting that. ;)
Carpe Caydiem.
Seize the CM.
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