• Frost Nova is a universal mage spell and it should not be subject to diminishing returns (DR) as it is a Root and not a chilling effect. For one thing, if it is supposed to be subject to DR, it should at the very least be separate from chilling effects since they are..different effects. For fire mages, this will make little to no difference since they do not have Frostbite, the only other freezing root spell.
  
  
• My argument for Frost Nova not being subject to DR is that it is already on on a substantial cooldown, 25 seconds. 25 seconds is greater than 15 seconds, the delegated time of effect for DR anyways. I mean, what is the point of a cooldown if it is subject to diminishing returns, right?
  
  
• My argument for Frostbite not being subject to DR is that it only has a 15% chance of occuring with 5 points put into it, and it is at the very bottom of the Frost tree. Unless you intended for this to be a completely useless spell as it only procs 15% of the time if it's outside the 15 second DR rule and only if you don't use Frost Nova, I will consider this a bug and something you did not intend.
  

• Permafrost (5 pt, increases chill by 3 seconds): Easily overwritten by other other spells, and you cannot increase the chill when it doesn't exist in the first place.
  
  
• Winter's Chill (3 pt, increases chill effect by 10%). You can't increase the effect of chill if the target can't be chilled.
  
  
• Cold Snap (1 pt, finishes all cooldowns, 10 min cooldown). After using your frost spells, you would presumably use this to reset all cooldowns. The problem is, DR effectively adds an additional 15 second cooldown, making this talent utterly worthless. You Cold Snap only to find that your opponent is immune to your coldsnapped Frost Nova?
  
  
• Shatter (5 pts, increases crit against frozen targets by 50%). This is completely dependent on Frost Nova (only once every 25 seconds) and Frostbite (15% chance), with both share the same DR cooldown as EVERY OTHER frost spell. This is rediculous.
  
  
• Frostbite (15% chance to freeze target for 5 sec): At the bottom of the frost tree. Triggers the Frost Nova DR

• Do rogues have diminishing returns in which after three swipes of their dagger, their daggers do 0 damage for the next 15 seconds?
  
  
• Do priests have diminishing returns in which they can only heal three times and not again for 15 seconds?
  
  
• Do warriors rend, taunt, shield bash, and then can't use any defensive stance abilities for the next 15 seconds?

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Patch Text:
• A handful of spells were added to the list of spells subject to diminishing returns in PvP. It is our goal to set as few spells as possible to be diminished. We've identified this short list of spells as having durations and cooldowns sufficient to almost permanently slow or immobilize targets but without adequate controls or other limiting factors. When a spell with diminishing returns is used against a target in PvP, the first effect has full duration. On the second use of the same category of spell (e.g. slowing), that spell's duration is reduced by 50%. On the third use, the duration is reduced by 75%. On the fourth attempt, the target becomes immune to the spell. Spells must be used on the same target within 15 seconds of the *end* of the duration in order to be diminished. In other words, if a target hasn't had a slowing spell active on them for more than 15 seconds, the next slowing spell will have full effect. The list of affected spells is:
o Frost Shock
o Cone of Cold
o Entangling Roots
o Frost Nova

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Motive -- Thanks for looking into these things. I notice you don't mention the immune to damage bug however. What were your findings on this?

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