Poster: Savant at 4/9/2005 11:02:48 PM PDT
Subject: BUG: Dodging Bullets |
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In version 1.3.1, it is impossible for ranged attacks fired by players to be dodged. They can be deflected or miss. However, in the test patch they can be dodged just like melee attacks.
Here is a video of a ranged firing test against a warrior which shows the dodging:
http://www.astraycat.us/misstest.avi
And a screenshot of an NPC dodging on the test server:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/grimarbiter/WoWScrnShot_041005_020215.jpg
IF it is intended under this change in the notes:
Q u o t e:
Ranged attacks use the target's defense skill instead of target's level to determine chance to hit
then very serious balance considerations need to be taken. It will increase the avoidence rate of ranged attacks, for which hunters depend on damage, by either a noticible or overwhelming amount depending upon the situation. As such introducing dodges without other considerations will be a substantial reduction in ranged damage output. This will be especially the case in PvP with rogues, warriors, and paladins able to boost either their defense skill or dodge rate substantially.
Also, the notion of a Tauren warrior in full plate armor dodging bullets puts a lot of strain on suspension of disbelief, which may or may not concern you.
EDIT: it has come to my attention that bliz is unaware that on live, that this game is in fact not that matrix and that player shots cannot be dodged or parried. As shown here:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-hunter&t=256693&p=1&tmp=1#post256693
All the tests and anecdotal evidence from being on this side of the gun suggests that I am correct in my assertion that hunters cannot have their bullets dodged or parried at all in general, excepting maybe scattershot. This is somewhat saddening that they were unaware of this basic fact for ranged combat and yet somehow balanced it previously.[ post edited by Savant ]
Hunters are getting fixed just like our pets.
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Poster: motive at 4/11/2005 6:42:11 PM PDT
Subject: Re: BUG: Dodging Bullets |
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The issue here is that, in 1.3.1 and all prior versions of the game, the fact that ranged attacks could not be Blocked/Dodged/Parried was a bug.
That bug has been fixed for patch 1.4.0 and our tests show that the amount of Blocked/Dodged/Parried attacks is not overwhelming.
Nevertheless, we are continuing to run DPS tests now that this fix has been made and if any decisions are made to change or revert this fix I will update this thread.
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Poster: motive at 4/13/2005 3:33:48 PM PDT
Subject: Re: BUG: Dodging Bullets |
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After further DPS tests we have determined that fixing this bug and making ranged attacks able to be dodged and parried caused a substantial loss in DPS for the Hunter.
As a result, this fix is going to be backed out of patch 1.4.0. Ranged attacks will no longer be able to dodged or parried.
Thanks a lot for everyone's testing and perseverance in asking us look at this change closer.[ post edited by motive ]
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Poster: motive at 4/13/2005 4:37:43 PM PDT
Subject: Re: BUG: Dodging Bullets |
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Some more information for clarification purposes:
Ranged attacks in patch 1.3.1:
-Can be Blocked by a target with a shield
-Cannot be Dodged
-Cannot be Parried
-Can Miss
-Can be Deflected.
(Where Deflected is just another name for Miss, there is no seperate chance to Deflect)
Ranged attacks in initial patch 1.4.0:
-Can be Blocked by a target with a shield
-Can be Dodged
-Can be Parried
-Can Miss
-Can be Deflected.
(Where Deflected is just another name for Miss, there is no seperate chance to Deflect)
Ranged attacks in the NEW version of patch 1.4.0:
-Can be Blocked by a target with a shield
-Cannot be Dodged
-Cannot be Parried
-Can Miss
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Poster: motive at 4/13/2005 5:04:45 PM PDT
Subject: Re: BUG: Dodging Bullets |
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One more clarification:
Ranged attacks now consider Defense instead of level when determining success.
=)[ post edited by motive ]
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