Poster: Law at 2/27/2006 8:55:07 AM PST
Subject: Caydiem refused to roll a paladin |
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When my hunter review came, Caydiem told us she rolled a hunter although I don't think she got it's level very high. She has a high level shaman and a druid. Yet she specifically said she would not roll a paladin when our review came. She said no CM's played a paladin, and some Dev's did, although I don't think I believe that.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=891327&p=#post891327 | | | Poster: Eyonix at 2/27/2006 9:36:04 AM PST
Subject: Re: Caydiem refused to roll a paladin |
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Stop searching for ammunition to use in the "no one at Blizzard plays a Paladin" battle. Even if the argument were true, it doesn't help you, other players, or us. Also, here are some interesting facts:
I took a poll in early December for the purpose of learning which classes each member of the World of Warcraft design team had leveled to 60. There were nearly a dozen more Paladins than Shamans.
Every member of the community team except Tyren and Tseric (and I could be mistaken about them) have leveled a Paladin at some point since launch. Our levels range from 22 to 51.
I believe the way you imagine Caydiem "refusing" to play a Paladin is much more dramatic than was actually the case. We're normal human beings, just like you. At the time of the Paladin review, she was really into another character. We can't help what happens to be holding our interest at a given time, and as fans of our own game, we're always going to engage in playing the character that, for whatever reason, happens to be the "flavor of the month".
Law, what I'm driving towards is requesting that you please stick to discussions based upon your own knowledge of the game. What you're doing is gossiping about matters that you are far removed from, and if that wasn't bad enough, your memory isn't serving you very well. I am not sure if you even realize what you're doing, but please take a moment and reflect.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=891327&p=#post891461 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/27/2006 9:55:43 AM PST
Subject: Re: Caydiem refused to roll a paladin |
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Q u o t e:
Just curious, but how many of those people still play thier Paladins over thier Shamans?
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I find it very interesting that you guys ALL bailed as soon as the class starts going down the crapper, which is 50+. Obviously the class is universally undesireable if not one of you even wanted to finish it. If the class was fun/viable, surely at least one of you would have taken it to level 60. People don't have to "search for ammo" when you supply in with a post like yours.
These are examples of why I don't respond to most comments on these boards. What both of you are doing here is searching for a hole in my message. The moment I offer further clarification, you'll begin looking for something else, completely ignoring my original opening statement of "stop searching for ammunition against this battle".
To the first comment, many of the designers still play their Paladin. I'm not going to spend my time as a Community Manager trying to get people to believe this fact. Believe it, or not.
The second comment, to be very honest, is really just sad. Plain and simple. You've based everything upon your own assumption, and then in turn attempted to attack me. The member of our team that has leveled a Paladin to 51 is playing right now. It's been the only character in which he's been active in playing, for quite some time now.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=891327&p=#post891541 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/27/2006 10:01:15 AM PST
Subject: Re: Caydiem refused to roll a paladin |
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Wow, must be nice. If I did that type of thing at my JOB id get fired
"Sorry Boss, but at the time when you needed me to do those reports on the financial standings, I was really into working on the monthly growth report. I cant help what happens to be holding my interest at any given time!"
Maybe the confusion is the players not understanding what the Job role of a CM actually is? At what point does the JOB aspect become more important than the "having fun" aspect for the people who actually work for Blizzard?
How we use our free time is no one's concern but our own. I'd suggest looking for a new job if you fear you'll be fired based upon the activities you involve yourself in during your off-time. Also, I think it best that you not compare our careers. It's obvious we aren't in the same line of work, share a different employer, and you're not entirely familiar with what I do.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-paladin&t=891327&p=#post891565 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/27/2006 11:04:24 AM PST
Subject: Re: Caydiem refused to roll a paladin |
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Eyonix,
I understand completely what you say about Blizzard having no jurisdiction over your out-of-work playtime, and that characters leveled in these hours are purely for your own enjoyment. However, I think that what is of concern here isn't that you (or other CMs) haven't worked up a raiding Paladin during your free time, but that Blizzard hasn't provided us with a CM who has.
Here is my thinking on this as an employer and manager; if I expect to field a team to be effective in the performance of their duties I have to hire people with skills relevant to the goals I've set out for them to achieve, or I have to train the people I currently employ and develop the knowledge I'm expecting them to have so they can become effective. If Blizzard expects to have CMs that are effective and relate to a class' community then they should either employ someone who already has the familiarity with the class or provide the time for its existing community managers to gain that familiarity.
I don't see this as an insult to any existing CMs, but rather a plea for a CM who, of their own accord, desires to spend play time as a Paladin. Forced participation is of little use in developing an advocate and representative for us. Loving affection for this class, however, is.
I disagree with you completely. If players on this board seek to discredit my ability to gather and relay feedback to the design team because I don't have a high level Paladin then my dialogue here isn't going to serve much purpose.
Everyone needs to understand that my communication with the priests was a fairly flawless process, not because I have a priest, but because the community on that particular board worked with me. They worked with me because they trusted me. If you choose to believe that it was the other way around, then this is truly going to be an agonizing process for everyone involved. If I don't get that same level of respect here, I will be forced to alter my approach. Honestly, that's fine for me because I'm used to doing such. The foundation of my job involves adapting my method and approach to that which is most effective. However, I feel that many of you won't like the new approach as much as what I'm currently trying to accomplish.
I ask that everyone think before they post. I'm not stating such to be rude, but assumptions based on a limited or narrow perception of reality isn't productive. Comments which digress a topic or matter hurt the overall goal.
I've openly stated that I'm going to be actively reading these boards, and providing feedback as often as possible. This weekend, during my off-time I spent hours gathering feedback so that first thing today I could approach the designers with some of that which was provided by players. I did this because I'm an over-achiever? I did this because I want to win points with you?
No.
I did this because I am taking this matter very seriously.
I've been playing this game since the first day it was available on an internal alpha. Horde weren't even in the game when I began playing World of Warcraft. My knowledge is extensive, and my involvement with this game, combined with that which I'm privy to by being a Community Manager afford me the luxury of having a multitude of resources. Resources that I utilize for the purpose of increasing my understanding of that which is presented by players.
I'm quite capable in tasks that I choose to associate or involve myself. I cannot emphasize the importance of working with me more than I already have in each and every statement I've made concerning this matter.
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