Poster: Pnasty at 8/13/2005 10:22:00 AM PDT
Subject: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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instead of leveling a hunter just have a dev set you to level 60.
The reason being that this game does not really start untill 60. MC, ONY, BWL, and all the other content being added are all aimed at lvl 60s.
Hunters are an easy class to level with because we are great solo'ers. I solo'd most of the way to 60 and very rarely had downtime. Unfortunatly, this gives the illusion that hunters are overpowered. Most hunters won't realize how they stack up against other classes untill 60 and they are doing high end instances and pvp.
So instead of playing a low-mid level hunter and *trying* to empathize with us, go out and play some of the real content and then get back to us.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 11:25:58 AM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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No.
That's not playing the game, and it certainly doesn't help you play the character effectively at level 60. Part of the levelling process is truly learning the character's strengths and weaknesses as you experience different situations on your way up. I'm not just soloing to 60; I'm grouping, too. I'm learning the dynamics of the Hunter when working with others, how to control my pet properly given different situations, what shots to use when, how to mitigate my damage when it's not my pet tanking for me...
Making a level 60 character does not infuse me with the knowledge to play that character well. I've been given a level 60 Warrior before in internal tests, for example, and was nowhere near as effective as those who knew the class (no, I wasn't the main or even off tank). I haven't played that particular class up to even mid levels yet, and as such I didn't have the experience and knowhow behind me in order to adapt to the situation properly and do what needed to be done.
How many times have you been in a pickup group and had someone in there who clearly had never grouped before? A Mage who had no idea how to manage their damage output, for example, and then ran around screaming for heals after they brought five monsters down on their head? A Warrior who couldn't take aggro off the party healer for more than five seconds? The Warlock that soulstoned himself instead of the Priest? Heck, the Priest who went into Shadowform often when they were the only healer? Are these groups fun for you? Do they truly teach you anything besides how much you don't want to group with that individual again?
I am not going to have a character artificially placed at level 60 on live realms. That isn't fair, and it doesn't help me help you as much as you believe it would. Understanding the class comes through levelling it up as well as playing it at max level -- it isn't magically bestowed upon you once you set foot in Molten Core.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 11:32:11 AM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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So many interesting posts you could've enlightened us on, and you choose to answer this one =D.
Well, it's Saturday, the developers aren't here, and therefore I must go with what I know. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 11:35:17 AM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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Sorry, I am pretty sure you have said this before, but do you play no a pvp server? And if so, on the less-populated faction?
There are many aspects of playing a hunter...but there are a lot of things you learn after getting ganked like crazy while levelling =)
No, my Hunter is on a PvE realm, Hordeside.
This is something that comes up often -- even when we do have a level 60 of a particular class, it's often not on the realm type that an individual prefers, or is using a different build, etc. Sometimes having a level 60 of that class isn't enough for some folks. ;) Know, though, that with ALL my characters I participate in a good bit of PvP as well as PvE, wandering around flagged for a good portion of my day, etc. That's always a fun time in Stranglethorn. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 11:39:06 AM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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I agree with you Cay. One needs to reach 60 on their own.
What level is your Hunter at the moment?
She just hit 34. I haven't had much time to play in the past few weeks with all the projects I've been juggling, but when I do play, it's her.
I know that hearing mid-level tales doesn't exactly thrill you folks, but I will say that we took a group of four people -- Priest, Mage, and two Hunters -- into Razorfen Kraul the other night, all around the level of the area or just below. We had to be careful, but with attentive pet management, the Priest being on the ball, and the Mage knowing how to mitigate damage, we tore through it. My little Wind Serpent didn't die once. ;) It was great to see how, at mid-levels, the Hunter can work when no tank is available.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 11:45:13 AM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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Thanks for the reply Cay, but the point the poster is making is valid. The hunter class is fine from lvl 1 to 59. All of our problems occur at lvl 60 with the high end intances. Our pets do fine until the high end where they die in seconds to the high end elite mobs.
Once you hit lvl 60, the only way to advance is through instances and right now, hunters are not preferred in instances. What we really want is a class defining ability that makes us wanted in instances and right now we dont see it.
Also we cant count our pet dps because they cant be used in the really dangerous fights where they are needed. You wont see any of these issues at the lower levels.
Look, I have the full intent of levelling this character to 60, and I am trying, but I do have a busy life. ;) She'll get there.
Think about this, too -- how emotionally invested are you in a character that you're given at max level, as opposed to one you worked valiantly to raise all the way from level 1? Which one do you care about more? I'll guarantee it's the one you worked for. You folks are concerned about your class because you're emotionally invested in it, and as such your arguments are passionate. I've levelled a Druid to 60, Shaman to 57, and Rogue to 50 (almost 51, staying on the cusp due to my Warsong fixation), and each one has time and effort invested into it. Not only do I have the knowledge of the class to back me up, but I have the passion of one who has watched the character grow and is genuinely concerned about the future of the class due to that investment. A granted level 60 character doesn't give one that. A levelled one certainly does.
As a last note, think of this community. Do you honestly think there wouldn't be comments of, "Oh, Caydiem doesn't have a real Hunter, she had to have the developers give her a level 60 because playing it was simply TOO HARD," and the like? You folks know better. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 11:47:16 AM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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I find it hard to believe a blizzard employee has ever engaged in a pvp fight while logged into a hunter.
If they did I guarantee the class would function almost entirely different within 24 hours.
Interesting thought, but I assure you that, of the developers who have level 60 Hunters, half or more are on PvP realms.
I am not getting my character moved to a PvP realm. She's staying where she is. I do appreciate the suggestion.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 12:44:43 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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No, I do not believe that grouping at level 30 is like grouping at level 60. Please give me more credit than that. I have levelled, through grouping, three other classes into the high levels and I know very well how the dynamics change.
Part of your frustration, though, is that the dynamic changes. X isn't as useful as it was. Y doesn't help me as it did in mid-levels. I won't get that through having a level 60 character handed to me.
Let me lay it down for you, since apparently you folks think I'm open to changing what's going on in this case. That isn't true.
My Hunter will not be bumped to 60. I will level her naturally when I have time.
She is staying on a PvE realm. There are several Blizzard employees -- including class designers -- who have level 60 Hunters on PvP realms. I will engage in PvP with her as often as I'm able.
I am not stupid and do not think that the experiences I am having in mid-levels in any way compare to the Hunter end-game.
I am not changing the above situation.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 12:56:22 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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Das, I've said this a hundred times.
I'm not taking my feedback to the developers, I'm taking yours. I derive feedback from this forum and the concerned, experienced Hunters and speak with the developers about it. I'm not up there talking about, gee, my level 29 blue crossbow just isn't giving the damage I think it should at that point, or that, hm, clearly the level 34 version of Serpent Sting is overpowered.
That's why I moderate these forums heavily, and why I'm always asking for constructive, solid feedback as opposed to insults. I rely more on this community in order to argue your side with the developers.
How is it that I "don't seem to agree with" you? I haven't said anything one way or the other on that subject. Now, I'm giving you the information I've been given from the developers, but that's not saying that I don't agree with you; that's saying "this is where the developers are taking the class, and while they've heard your concerns, they do not necessarily have to agree with them and change the class based on your desires".[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 1:13:56 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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Caydiem...
Looking in as an outsider, I must say this.
A level 34 hunter being the hunter class representitive is nothing less than absolutely rediculous. I read posts on the hunter forums from time to time, and I have become completly wow'd by you.
Game content COMPLETLY changes between mid-level and high level. It is absolutely ABSURD that you haven't even played the class to it's full potential. It seems all you do on the hunter boards is post in defense of yourself. You say "It isn't fair" to have a level 60 character given to you. What isn't fair is having someone that represents you who doesn't know where you're coming from. You come in and BS the hunter community with how you're "learning" the class. Well Cay, it's about f-ing time I believe. I don't even play a hunter, but just seeing this infuriates me.
How long have you had this hunter, months? And WHY is she still in her 30s? How can you claim to understand the full concepts on PVP with a hunter if you play on a bunny PVE server and are level 34? Rediculous Cay, rediculous.
Stop the excuses and humor these hunters, I think that is long overdue. These people have put countless hours into learning this class and come here to try and assist you with repairing the gliches and bugs, I suggest you ship up now.
/applaud Hunter Community for putting up with you this long.
Good thing I'm not the Hunter class representative, and that a class representative system doesn't exist here, eh? :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 1:25:22 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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They cant even get representive to look at the forums to get class ideas.
We do look at the forums and relay your feedback. There simply isn't a "class representative" system. I am no more your representative than Eyonix, Tyren, Ordinn or Fangtooth.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 1:42:07 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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What I want, at the heart of it, is to have fun when I play regardless of what character I'm playing, and for others to have a similar experience. I don't withhold feedback on a certain class because I think the potential change that might result would dampen my ability to "beat" that class. I give it anyway, because (in general) you're commenting on ways in which the game isn't fun for you.
And that, of course, is the point of World of Warcraft. It's a game. It's entertainment. I don't maliciously hold out on something because it might hurt one of my "preferred" classes. I give the feedback you give me.
A class representative system has been discussed, but my supervisors are of the mind that our current system works. I know many of you don't agree, but that's the truth of the matter.
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 1:42:55 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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What the hell are you doing here then?
My job, which is to manage the community. Thanks. :)
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Poster: Caydiem at 8/13/2005 1:57:12 PM PDT
Subject: Re: CAYDIEM: Heres an idea |
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You pick and choose what feedback to pass on. If you have experienced the same issues first-hand you would have more of a context to base your choices on. Otherwise you are just basing your decisions on 2nd hand knowledge and numbers that are often wrong or misleading.
I'm aware that better context helps -- what I operate off currently is the experience and knowledge of my vocal level 60 Hunter guildmates. ;) That's one of the reasons why I'm levelling a character and getting up there. It takes time, however. As stated, I am not budging on the matter of being handed a level 60 character, period.
The developers read the forum too, but I do give them the hottest and most discussed topics, primarily.
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