Poster: Kelthas at 6/2/2005 11:01:51 PM PDT
Subject: For the Record Cay |
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My "Server-wide" protest thread was not meant to disrupt anyones playtime. If you had of read my post (which I assume you didn't fully) it was around a gathering of people in protest. Where did I at anytime say or elude to disrupting peoples play ??
Why don't you just lockdown the entire hunter forum and make us all go way. Thats what many of us are getting the feeling of already for voicing our concerns.
You know, if you had any thought process you would actually take the fact we are screaming long and hard as a compliment. Many of us could just quit. Instead we are here fighting for a class and a game we love to play.
Feel free to lock this thread down as well I've always wondered what it would be like to be part of a dictatorship.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:06:26 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Here's an honest question for you.
How is it that a gathering of people is a protest in this game? In real life, a gathering of people to protest an organization, such as a strike, normally disrupts the business of said organization to some extent simply by being outside the walls.
Now, clearly, trying to organize a gathering of people to protest the patch, you're trying to get attention, right? But unlike the real world, the developers can't really hear you no matter how "loud" you are in game... so then. How precisely does a gathering, a protest, get noticed?
By bringing so many people into an area that it disrupts others' gameplay.
Your direct goal is to get the attention of Blizzard by holding a protest. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. However, indirectly, said protest is meant to cause an inconvenience on the realm, which disrupts the playtime of other paying customers and is an actionable offense.
Is that clear?
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:08:38 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
These $hitty Fuking nurfs are disrupting my play time
Is that clear?
Well, I certainly hope the Code of Conduct is more clear to you after you return from your suspension.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:09:56 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
true that is perfectly clear, the debating point on this matter is what constitutes protest, by your definition you should start suspending people joining on raids, for that is a large party of individuals, who could *Possibly* be interferring with another gameplay through the realm.
They are not disrupting others' gameplay purposely, however, unlike a protest. (However indirect, the logic still exists that it is a purposeful disruption.)
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:10:58 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
Can we be given a way to get in touch with the devs directly, then?
Right now, there are many suggestions being made to minimize the impact of this bug until it can be fixed.
Smart money says the devs will not consider a single one of them.
I'd like to personally express my displeasure towards them.
In other words...
I'd like to speak with your manager.
My manager has no control over development, but you can contact my immediate supervisor about my performance by eMailing wowcmfeedback@blizzard.com.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:13:49 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
Perhaps you don't understand the difference between a protest and a gathering, caydiem.
Some of us want to get together face-to-face to discuss the problems with our class. We're people with the same interests, and same concerns, and we play in different servers.
Why NOT create characters on one server, find a place to chat, and chat.
I could care less if Blizzard knows about it. I don't care if we get their "attention".
This isn't "clearly" a protest, quit reading things into it.
You're the one ascribing these traits to a gathering, not us.
AND, please, since gatherings are NOT against the TOS, stop locking threads for no reason. It's just a blatant abuse of power.
It's amazing how much ill-will you've caused here in one night. I'm astounded.
Ratfink, you've shown yourself in the past to be an intelligent, if frustrated, member of the community.
Now, I want you to look around at the anger and antagonistic behavior shown on the board tonight.
Do you truly believe that a posted gathering would not turn into a protest? Honestly?
We give you a place for Hunters across all realms to speak with each other about the class. It's called the official Hunter forum, and it's the medium we're using to communicate at this very moment. A gathering in game with the frustrations riding high would not be a peaceful affair.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:15:01 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
must say cay that was an awesome post just now :)
and the gathering, even if it is a protest, is not meant to disrupt gameplay, its supposed to show how many hunters are miffed i think.
but doing it in a high traffic area makes it disruptive.
go gather in some out of the way place if you dont want to be disruptive.
Do you know how laggy bank/AH area is in IF already for people with not-lots of ram? If more than 20 people stand there doing nothing, My pc would explode! which would suck, cause then i couldnt pout about my nerf :(
so i guess i kinda hope people do NOT gather near AH or bank. go somewhere else where i can avoid :)
It can still be disruptive even if it's not in a high-traffic area. A large number of people in one place -- provided the number is large enough, that is -- can lag an entire continent.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:18:07 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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You asked to speak with my manager, Hadiar, and so I gave you the only eMail I'm authorized to give. (And no, Ratfink, it isn't a dummy address -- it does go directly to my supervisor, who reads each and every eMail that comes his way. I know because he refers to them in discussions with me quite often. And yes, I saw your post before it was deleted.)
I know you want to speak with the developers directly, but I am not authorized to give you any direct means of contacting them. I'm sure you can understand how disastrous that would be.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:21:23 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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I have been instructed, Ratfink, to lock said threads, as every single time they've been allowed to run they've resulted in server problems. So I am no longer allowing such class gathering threads to continue.
I'm not isolating you in any way. You've always had the ability to speak with one another on this forum, and that hasn't changed.
I suggest you stop trying to find loopholes in this, because I am not going to allow the threads to persist. Period.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:23:32 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
Ok, once again, is it against the TOS?
I already answered you; such things are actioned at the GM's discretion. I also have the discretion to act on threads I believe are disruptive. The subject is closed, Ratfink.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:24:46 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
No, you didn't.
Read my edit -- and yes, I did before.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:26:40 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
While I don't agree necessarily with protesting for the purpose of disrupting others, what about spreading awareness? to my knowledge this hasn't even made it to the main page yet for "Threads you might find interesting" yet Mage invisibility has worked its way up there. We can't seem to find a viable way to get our points across to the Devs and maybe if we can rally some more support, even from other classes, you will be able to offer show the Devs just how much this means to us. If we can spread the word and somehow convince other classes even that we need to have some serious fixes (as I have heard other people from other classes sympathize over bugs that my hunter has) you can tell the Devs "There is consensus among many people, including other classes, that hunters are being hurt, not fixed. Despite the necessity for total game balance and looking at the big picture (which you Devs do) if such a large percentage of the population can find agreement maybe a change that affects the balance is in order." Maybe, as it stands, classes aren't succesfully balanced and putting through this patch without some kind of amendment to it only magnifies these discrepencies.
These are just what came to my mind when this thread was posted. I know there would be some who came with the intent of disrupting gameplay, GMs are welcome to deal with them, but if we gather and discuss, and let other players know what is happening to their friends, guildies, and allies, maybe we can push through changes a little faster?
The forum watch is not for the developers but for the community. We pass other thread discussions along for developer perusal.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:28:01 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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I'm sorry, I have yet to see your answer to whether posts about friendly gatherings are against the TOS.
I looked at the TOS and I didn't see it.
Guess I can't read.
Oh well, I'm done. You win. We have no recourse at all, and we (just like every other patch) can either take it, or quit.
I'll be quitting, thank you.
Your recourse is to post feedback in a civil and constructive fashion on these boards. If you choose to do otherwise, that is your decision.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:28:01 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay *edited post* |
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I'm sorry, I have yet to see your answer to whether posts about friendly gatherings are against the TOS.
I looked at the TOS and I didn't see it.
Guess I can't read.
Oh well, I'm done. You win. We have no recourse at all, and we (just like every other patch) can either take it, or quit.
I'll be quitting, thank you.
Your recourse is to post feedback in a civil and constructive fashion on these boards. If you choose to do otherwise, that is your decision.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:30:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Thank you Cay, you've just confirmed that the devs don't listen to the players at all, no matter what we do.
"... the developers can't really hear you no matter how "loud" you are in game"
Your position and that of the company you work for is indefensible.
Do not read more into my post than what I said. That was stating that in-game protests do not reach the ears of the developers.
The proper method to give feedback and express dissatisfaction (in a civil manner, mind you) is to post on these forums.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:34:36 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
you basically just told us you arent our rep, and pass on threads that you see fit, instead of all of them as a rep should do. you basically do not represent the hunters, you represent yourself and what you think should be done. good form...
Do not assume.
I don't pass along "What pet should I get?" or "What spec do you think is best?" I also don't pass along the flames. I pass along the issues and the feedback that is written constructively.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:47:51 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Instead of fighting on these forums and trying to hold your own, wouldn't this time be better spent talking to the devs right now Cay?
It's 11:45PM. The developers work a normal daytime shift, so they're all at home at the moment.
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Poster: Caydiem at 6/2/2005 11:55:03 PM PDT
Subject: Re: For the Record Cay |
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Q u o t e:
then why is cay here? if she's working, she should be able to email the devs or something.
I'm at work, and I have eMailed the developers tonight already pleading your case. Did you read my other posts? :P[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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