Poster: Sequence at 4/13/2005 11:52:55 AM PDT
Subject: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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well, after many of us have done our fair share of flaming towards Caydiem about this upcoming patch, it was all for not, as the "nerfs" were al simply bugs and are being fixed...
Issue: Targets now Dodge/Parry/etc. Ranged Attacks on Test Realms -- miss rate is higher
Last Updated: 4/13/05 - 11:50AMPST
Status: NEW: It has been determined that there was a problem with the miss rate calculation -- a change has been made that should decrease the rate being seen on the Test Realm, and that fix should be in when the patch goes live.
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:09:09 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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I removed something in there accidentally that was a clarification.
You folks should be hitting more often.
Now, Dodge, Parry, and all that are tied to the Defense skill -- if the Defense of your opponent is high, you will see these more. These messages are being seen more often for two reasons:
1) There was a change made that makes ranged attacks subject to Defense (which you know), and
2) There was a change made in the reporting, just as there was for melee attacks a few patches ago. What used to be reported as a "miss" or "deflect" that was in fact a dodge or parry is now being properly reported.
Defense ratings are still being looked into, but the feeling is that they're too strong on the Test Realm last I heard. They're still investigating it.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:10:15 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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Q u o t e:
"SHOULD" be in the patch when it goes live?
That statement worries me for some reason.
Sorry if that worries you -- that's just my wording. I've been burned often enough that using "will" in that context takes a conscious, forced act. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:21:18 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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Rahaan, if Evasion is tied at least partially to Defense, and there was a change made to the interaction between Defense Rating and Ranged Attacks, how is #2 false?
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:22:16 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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Razabajin, I wasn't just referring to PvE. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:28:48 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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Flay, I apologize, but in that you are not correct.
Defense does not factor into being hit with ranged attacks on live realms.
It does on the test realm.
If Evasion affects a rogue's Defense indirectly, it's not going to do a whole lot of good on the live realms as is. On the test realm, though, it will make a significant difference.
The change in reporting has just made the whole issue more confusing, I'm afraid.
EDIT -- was unclear.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:31:39 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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Edited my above post to be more correct, Rahaan, sorry, heh. I'm juggling a lot of things today. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:39:35 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! |
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Let me break it down to be as clear as I can possibly be here.
1) The miss rate on the test realms for ranged attacks was too high. It's being brought down somewhat. That change is not yet on the test realm yet, but it should be in the patch when it reaches live realms. To cut through all the wording: you're not hitting often enough on Test and that will be fixed. What you're seeing on Test now is too much. It will be better. There's no stealth DPS nerf involved here.
2) There was a messaging change on ranged attacks -- some misses or deflects were in fact supposed to be dodges, parries, etc. and were not reporting as such on live realms. This was changed, thus compounding the belief that the Defense change was more significant than it is.
3) Even with that, the developers are investigating Defense items to see if the relationship change between Defense and Ranged Attacks made those too powerful.
Does that make more sense?[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:09:09 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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I removed something in there accidentally that was a clarification.
You folks should be hitting more often.
Now, Dodge, Parry, and all that are tied to the Defense skill -- if the Defense of your opponent is high, you will see these more. These messages are being seen more often for two reasons:
1) There was a change made that makes ranged attacks subject to Defense (which you know), and
2) There was a change made in the reporting, just as there was for melee attacks a few patches ago. What used to be reported as a "miss" or "deflect" that was in fact a dodge or parry is now being properly reported.
Defense ratings are still being looked into, but the feeling is that they're too strong on the Test Realm last I heard. They're still investigating it.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:10:15 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
"SHOULD" be in the patch when it goes live?
That statement worries me for some reason.
Sorry if that worries you -- that's just my wording. I've been burned often enough that using "will" in that context takes a conscious, forced act. ;)
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:21:18 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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Rahaan, if Evasion is tied at least partially to Defense, and there was a change made to the interaction between Defense Rating and Ranged Attacks, how is #2 false?
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:22:16 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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Razabajin, I wasn't just referring to PvE. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:28:48 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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Flay, I apologize, but in that you are not correct.
Defense does not factor into being hit with ranged attacks on live realms.
It does on the test realm.
If Evasion affects a rogue's Defense indirectly, it's not going to do a whole lot of good on the live realms as is. On the test realm, though, it will make a significant difference.
The change in reporting has just made the whole issue more confusing, I'm afraid.
EDIT -- was unclear.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:31:39 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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Edited my above post to be more correct, Rahaan, sorry, heh. I'm juggling a lot of things today. ;)
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/13/2005 12:39:35 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Thank you Caydiem..PATCH FIX!!! *edited post* |
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Let me break it down to be as clear as I can possibly be here.
1) The miss rate on the test realms for ranged attacks was too high. It's being brought down somewhat. That change is not yet on the test realm yet, but it should be in the patch when it reaches live realms. To cut through all the wording: you're not hitting often enough on Test and that will be fixed. What you're seeing on Test now is too much. It will be better. There's no stealth DPS nerf involved here.
2) There was a messaging change on ranged attacks -- some misses or deflects were in fact supposed to be dodges, parries, etc. and were not reporting as such on live realms. This was changed, thus compounding the belief that the Defense change was more significant than it is.
3) Even with that, the developers are investigating Defense items to see if the relationship change between Defense and Ranged Attacks made those too powerful.
Does that make more sense?[ post edited by Caydiem ]
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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