Poster: Agravayne at 6/6/2006 4:25:17 PM PDT
Subject: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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Blizz, I'm really interested in how you plan on handling this game long term. I watched the E3 Video today and Jeff Kaplan said that the algorithms for gear and skills and levels etc in WoW are set to work with an endless number of levels. The question becomes then, how do you plan on continuing the increasing quality of gear as the level cap continues to move upwards (as I presume it will again in the future)?
With the current trend, somewhere down the line players will have near 100%chance to crit, will never miss... basically, will this become a runaway train?
I've toyed with an idea, it's far from perfect, but basically I've always had a problem with this flood of "Epic" gear.
The epic quality gear only starts showing up at higher levels, and then suddenly its all over the place. I understand with item levels the stats are limited to certain ranges, but when it gets to the point that "epic" items aren't even rare... that just sorta defeats the purpose doesn't it.
I was standing in IF yesterday (how surprising...) and saw TWO players with the legendary sword Ashbringer. Now I dunno if that seems odd, but and item that is supposedly so rare that its not even epic but its legendary and two of em show up together...
Finally to my point, I wonder if it would fit with your program to have either a cap or decay on the said items, or both, so that they're numbers remain small.
Much like honor decay, without it everyone would eventually become GM/HWL, without this idea, everyone *could* eventually be running around with full Tier 3 epic's and legendary's etc... how boring is that... I would feel jipped if I put in all that effort to get something that turns out to give me *no* benefit over other players cause they have the same thing...
So, maybe it wouldn't work, the decay wouldn't be active on active acounts, basically it would be there to keep recirculating items on characters people abandon but don't delete, while the "cap" on items would maintain their epic status, rather than allowing them to be the norm...
I'm starting to rant so I'll quit now.
edit:changed subject, askandi to ashbringer (original error)[ post edited by Agravayne ]
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 4:44:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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The "current trend" will change dramatically once the expansion releases. The items being obtained now will simply be stepping stone achievements, for the most part. The world of Azeroth will continue to evolve and those seeking greater power and items of epic proportion, will have much in the way of opportunity.
I'm not sure what to say concerning your request to limit the number of epic and legendary items obtainable. Decay? Where's the headache guy when you need him. Ashkandi is still a very rare item, despite the fact that you've seen two of them in IronForge. A very small percentage of players wield this item, I assure you. Many realms don't have a single character in possession of a legendary item. Those with orange texted items are still unique and beautiful snowflakes.
As the game evolves, the current "to-die-for" items will be yesterday's news. Everyone will be chasing the "next-big-thing", and so on and so forth.[ post edited by Eyonix ]
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 4:51:54 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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When you see six guys in the battle ground holding ragnaros, it's no longer a beautiful and Unique snow flake. Sorry Eyonix, you are not your freaking khaki's.
I'd love to see someone weilding Ragnaros. Six people weilding him would be truly magical.
Tiwaz, you are not how much you have in the bank...[ post edited by Eyonix ]
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:02:44 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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I'm not stating that Ashkandi is a Legendary item. I'm simply addressing the original poster's concerns. Many items in the game, including those of both epic and legendary quality are still very rare and quite an achievement.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:22:20 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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I fail to see the OP's reasoning behind his/her argument. Actually that goes for a lot of other players I've seen on these forums. Why do you care what gear other people have? You feel less important? Less unique? I'm sorry to bust your bubble but you aren't unique from the very outset of the game in terms of race/class/abilities/talents nor gear. You think you have a unique talent spec? Sorry no doubt a few thousand, even a million other players have the same spec. Race/class combo, sorry that's been done to death to.
This nature of having to be unique ruins the game not only for yourself but for others. I assume that if you were one of the players who had a legendary you wouldn't want others to have it, am I right? Because you wouldn't feel unique anymore. If someone how it was made easier to obtain you would cry for the injustice. Why does another player having same or similar gear HOWEVER they choose to obtain it bothers you so much? This reminds me of the mentality of one of those aggressive raiders that you seen frequently on these boards. Only one word comes to mind when I think of such players, selfish.
As much as I personally agree with your philosophy, I seriously disagree with your very narrow perspective. There are millions of people playing this game, each fueled by a different desire. Simply because you and I may not be playing this game to "stand out", or seek to wield an item because it's unique, doesn't mean that such motivation is spawned by selfishness. It's exciting for many to be the first person to obtain an item in the game. It's rewarding for a number of players to be one of a few who weilds a rare and special dagger, or giant flaming axe.
One word comes to my mind as I read your response, self-righteous.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:27:25 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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So what? This doesn't address the gap between raiding gear and non-raiding gear. These items are getting SOO good that they trivialize PvP and PvE. And you don't think that is a problem? And yes these items are everywhere atleast on my server. And yes they make all the difference in the world regardless of what you say Eyonix.
That's not what this topic is discussing, and those that attempt to hijack the subject will be removed from the boards. There are plenty of threads that touch upon what you bring up.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:38:04 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) |
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Eyonix, maybe you should read where I am coming from. My perspective is that I believe EVERYONE should be allowed to get anything they so choose and from whatever method they deem is to their playstyle and satisfaction (save hax of course). Now having said that, I don't see why anyone should complain about another player getting X item and then having to complain if someone else chooses another method of play to obtain it. i.e. raider complaining about 'their' method of obtaining epic loot as opposed to a PvPer's method of obtaining similar gear.
Maybe I am self righteous but you'll never see me complain about someone getting something. Do they deserve it? Of course, they pay and they play this game just like everyone else. Time is a non-factor in my opinion. What is important is that we are all having fun.
I think I do understand where you're coming from, Zanathan. Which is the reason I stated that your philosophy on the matter was one I personally agreed with. Your original response was fairly harsh, and seemingly misdirected towards players whose focus and interest differ from your own.
That's about all we disagreed upon.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:22:20 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
I fail to see the OP's reasoning behind his/her argument. Actually that goes for a lot of other players I've seen on these forums. Why do you care what gear other people have? You feel less important? Less unique? I'm sorry to bust your bubble but you aren't unique from the very outset of the game in terms of race/class/abilities/talents nor gear. You think you have a unique talent spec? Sorry no doubt a few thousand, even a million other players have the same spec. Race/class combo, sorry that's been done to death to.
This nature of having to be unique ruins the game not only for yourself but for others. I assume that if you were one of the players who had a legendary you wouldn't want others to have it, am I right? Because you wouldn't feel unique anymore. If someone how it was made easier to obtain you would cry for the injustice. Why does another player having same or similar gear HOWEVER they choose to obtain it bothers you so much? This reminds me of the mentality of one of those aggressive raiders that you seen frequently on these boards. Only one word comes to mind when I think of such players, selfish.
As much as I personally agree with your philosophy, I seriously disagree with your very narrow perspective. There are millions of people playing this game, each fueled by a different desire. Simply because you and I may not be playing this game to "stand out", or seek to wield an item because it's unique, doesn't mean that such motivation is spawned by selfishness. It's exciting for many to be the first person to obtain an item in the game. It's rewarding for a number of players to be one of a few who weilds a rare and special dagger, or giant flaming axe.
One word comes to my mind as I read your response, self-righteous.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:27:25 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
So what? This doesn't address the gap between raiding gear and non-raiding gear. These items are getting SOO good that they trivialize PvP and PvE. And you don't think that is a problem? And yes these items are everywhere atleast on my server. And yes they make all the difference in the world regardless of what you say Eyonix.
That's not what this topic is discussing, and those that attempt to hijack the subject will be removed from the boards. There are plenty of threads that touch upon what you bring up.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:38:04 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Eyonix, maybe you should read where I am coming from. My perspective is that I believe EVERYONE should be allowed to get anything they so choose and from whatever method they deem is to their playstyle and satisfaction (save hax of course). Now having said that, I don't see why anyone should complain about another player getting X item and then having to complain if someone else chooses another method of play to obtain it. i.e. raider complaining about 'their' method of obtaining epic loot as opposed to a PvPer's method of obtaining similar gear.
Maybe I am self righteous but you'll never see me complain about someone getting something. Do they deserve it? Of course, they pay and they play this game just like everyone else. Time is a non-factor in my opinion. What is important is that we are all having fun.
I think I do understand where you're coming from, Zanathan. Which is the reason I stated that your philosophy on the matter was one I personally agreed with. Your original response was fairly harsh, and seemingly misdirected towards players whose focus and interest differ from your own.
That's about all we disagreed upon.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 4:51:54 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
When you see six guys in the battle ground holding ragnaros, it's no longer a beautiful and Unique snow flake. Sorry Eyonix, you are not your freaking khaki's.
I'd love to see someone weilding Ragnaros. Six people weilding him would be truly magical.
Tiwaz, you are not how much you have in the bank...[ post edited by Eyonix ]
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:02:44 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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I'm not stating that Ashkandi is a Legendary item. I'm simply addressing the original poster's concerns. Many items in the game, including those of both epic and legendary quality are still very rare and quite an achievement.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:22:20 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
I fail to see the OP's reasoning behind his/her argument. Actually that goes for a lot of other players I've seen on these forums. Why do you care what gear other people have? You feel less important? Less unique? I'm sorry to bust your bubble but you aren't unique from the very outset of the game in terms of race/class/abilities/talents nor gear. You think you have a unique talent spec? Sorry no doubt a few thousand, even a million other players have the same spec. Race/class combo, sorry that's been done to death to.
This nature of having to be unique ruins the game not only for yourself but for others. I assume that if you were one of the players who had a legendary you wouldn't want others to have it, am I right? Because you wouldn't feel unique anymore. If someone how it was made easier to obtain you would cry for the injustice. Why does another player having same or similar gear HOWEVER they choose to obtain it bothers you so much? This reminds me of the mentality of one of those aggressive raiders that you seen frequently on these boards. Only one word comes to mind when I think of such players, selfish.
As much as I personally agree with your philosophy, I seriously disagree with your very narrow perspective. There are millions of people playing this game, each fueled by a different desire. Simply because you and I may not be playing this game to "stand out", or seek to wield an item because it's unique, doesn't mean that such motivation is spawned by selfishness. It's exciting for many to be the first person to obtain an item in the game. It's rewarding for a number of players to be one of a few who weilds a rare and special dagger, or giant flaming axe.
One word comes to my mind as I read your response, self-righteous.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:27:25 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
So what? This doesn't address the gap between raiding gear and non-raiding gear. These items are getting SOO good that they trivialize PvP and PvE. And you don't think that is a problem? And yes these items are everywhere atleast on my server. And yes they make all the difference in the world regardless of what you say Eyonix.
That's not what this topic is discussing, and those that attempt to hijack the subject will be removed from the boards. There are plenty of threads that touch upon what you bring up.
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Poster: Eyonix at 6/6/2006 5:38:04 PM PDT
Subject: Re: The Future of WoW (A question for Blizz) *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Eyonix, maybe you should read where I am coming from. My perspective is that I believe EVERYONE should be allowed to get anything they so choose and from whatever method they deem is to their playstyle and satisfaction (save hax of course). Now having said that, I don't see why anyone should complain about another player getting X item and then having to complain if someone else chooses another method of play to obtain it. i.e. raider complaining about 'their' method of obtaining epic loot as opposed to a PvPer's method of obtaining similar gear.
Maybe I am self righteous but you'll never see me complain about someone getting something. Do they deserve it? Of course, they pay and they play this game just like everyone else. Time is a non-factor in my opinion. What is important is that we are all having fun.
I think I do understand where you're coming from, Zanathan. Which is the reason I stated that your philosophy on the matter was one I personally agreed with. Your original response was fairly harsh, and seemingly misdirected towards players whose focus and interest differ from your own.
That's about all we disagreed upon.
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