Poster: Viator at 2/6/2006 4:14:05 PM PST
Subject: Master Looter:"I know it's a crooked game..." |
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"But it's the only game in town."
I'm not in a guild. I know this is a huge detriment to me and my ability to get into good groups, but I have yet to find a guild I really, really like on my server. Plus, I'm just shy of 60. So I do pick-up groups. I'll admit that I enjoy the non-raid content, the small-group stuff, way more. I also know that that might devalue my agrument in the raiders' eyes.
Today we did a pick-up group with a guild named Eram Umbra. 6 members of this 15-man UBRS raid were in this guild. Now, they were okay guys for the most part, and pretty capable. I'm not trying to talk trash. I'm making a statement about partially-guilded raids as a whole.
I despise master looter on anything less than a 20 man raid. I despise master looter because you can't see what a boss drops the moment he's downed. Call me impatient, call me untrustworthy, but when a raid is over one-third members of a single guild, and the leader is using master looter, I'm immediately suspicious.
The master looter gets all the BoEs and distributes them at the end. This in and of itself is problematic-- when greens are automatically distributed throughout they're like gravy, but when you have to deal with the long process of distribution at the end of the raid, most people just skip out because they don't care. That guild who organized the raid gets all the items and all the cash. Now, I know you might say "well, who cares, they're just greens?" I guess I'm arguing more for the spirit of things.
For those of you skimming for the highlights, though, here's the part that REALLY grinds me. This is the one thing that could most be considered abuse of power. We drop Drakkisath and a Painweaver Band drops. A few people go to roll on it, including the leader (a hunter) and a rogue in his guild. The hunter rolls the highest and says "I'm going to give my item to the Rogue." A few people are like "That's cool, it's your item to do what you want with!" I look and all the people saying this are the six people in the guild. The rogue had already rolled and one his blue item earlier in the run.
A small argument unfolds about how this is unfair-- it gives a member of their guild both more chances on loot, AND the ability to rake in more loot. They cave and the hunter just takes the ring himself, and a bunch of those guild members say things like "i. hate. pugs. so. much." and leave.
Master looter was created to prevent loot scams, but in my experience it seems to just promote them. If I could suggest one thing about it, at least give it a window that displays WHAT drops, and perhaps grey out the rolling buttons. Even if I can't roll on it within the mechanics of the game, I'd still like to see the item.
What are your experiences with this system?
(Edit: I mistakenly said Quickstrike Ring. I was thinking of Painweaver Band. You silly rogues and your rings, all the names sound the same.)[ post edited by Viator ]
Weebles Wobble.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6999842&p=#post6999842 | | | Poster: Eyonix at 2/6/2006 4:45:55 PM PST
Subject: Re: Master Looter:"I know it's a crooked game..." |
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I've actually had a near identical experience with my Priest several months ago, also in Upper Black Rock Spire. My raid party, like yours, was made up primarily of players in one guild. They used Master Looter, and operated with little consideration to anyone not in their guild - picking up "greens" with the intent to distribute them at the end of the run.
Like you, I didn't feel this was a huge issue, although the principle of the matter was a bit irritating to me.
The guild explained very little, disregarded any and all legitimate concerns those of us on the "out" had expressed and barked orders, creating a very elitist environment. When a blue bind-on-pick-up item finally dropped and multiple members rolled in favor of their guild friend, so that he had multiple chances to be awarded the loot, I apologized to those that weren't in the guild, and left.
I don't blame Master Looter, however, I blame inconsiderate elitist players that believe their level 60 character is a badge of supreme greatness.
You run into jerks wherever you go, unfortunately.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6999842&p=#post7000334 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/6/2006 4:57:24 PM PST
Subject: Re: Master Looter:"I know it's a crooked game |
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Q u o t e:
Harsh luck for you and the OP. I guess I should consider myself very lucky that I have not run into a problem like this before.
I wouldn't necessarily call it "luck". I've been on hundreds upon hundreds of pick-up runs for Stratholme, Scholomance and UBRS, some of which were good, some of which were bad. I consider the situation and what occurred (not necessarily the specifics), to be part of a very predictable ratio which exists due to common human behavior.
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6999842&p=#post7000497 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/6/2006 8:07:51 PM PST
Subject: Re: Master Looter:"I know it's a crooked game |
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Q u o t e:
I am the Guild Master of Eram Umbra. I would like to say from the outset that Viator didn't say anything to myself or in the raid other than to say he thought this was unfair. When the consensus was reached that it was unfair, the ML took the item(as he'd won the roll on it). The question was asked if it was thought fair, the answer came back no, it was not distributed as such. Problem solved.
I think your response is unbecoming a representative of Blizzard, Eyonix, without getting full facts on this matter from the ML, or at least other parties involved in the raid. Or asking somebody else in the guild about it. What you're doing is propigating a topic that can be dealt with swiftly in game instead of becoming a large flame thread quickly not only about a guild, but also about the loot system which we all know people have issue with.
Viator, I think your manner is also rather counterproductive to what you see as the problem. If it's the loot system you have issue with, state that at the outset, don't go flaming a guild after the fact without attempting to discuss the matter in game first in more detail. That's just bad behavior.
The original poster shared an experience which occurred in-game while he was grouped with other players, and likewise I did the same. I expressed my feelings towards the group of individuals that I grouped with, and those with like-minded behavior, attitude, and play-style. No where did I comment on the original poster's experience, except to state that what he described, (not necessarily what occurred), was very similar to something that I, myself had experienced.
I don't need all of the facts concerning the incident in question, because I'm not interested in sorting anything out, nor am I concerned with getting to the bottom of things.
I don't mediate player collision.
You're correct, I'm a Blizzard Representative. Specifically, however, I'm a Community Manager. My function in this role is to share with players everything WoW, including my own experiences as a player, my thoughts, and my opinions. When I'm speaking on behalf of our studio, I'll explicitly state such.
In this case, I made no mention of "Blizzard's" stance, thoughts, perspective, or take.
I am truly sorry that you believed what I had outlined was directed towards you. However, I don't apologize for sharing that which occurred, nor do I apologize for expressing how I felt about my situation. I'm very happy to hear that you and your guild do not operate in group situations with non-guilded players in the manner which I described.
It's not very fun to be in a group where players disregard the feelings of those around them.[ post edited by Eyonix ]
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6999842&p=#post7003062 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/6/2006 8:07:51 PM PST
Subject: Re: Master Looter:"I know it's a crooked game *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
I am the Guild Master of Eram Umbra. I would like to say from the outset that Viator didn't say anything to myself or in the raid other than to say he thought this was unfair. When the consensus was reached that it was unfair, the ML took the item(as he'd won the roll on it). The question was asked if it was thought fair, the answer came back no, it was not distributed as such. Problem solved.
I think your response is unbecoming a representative of Blizzard, Eyonix, without getting full facts on this matter from the ML, or at least other parties involved in the raid. Or asking somebody else in the guild about it. What you're doing is propigating a topic that can be dealt with swiftly in game instead of becoming a large flame thread quickly not only about a guild, but also about the loot system which we all know people have issue with.
Viator, I think your manner is also rather counterproductive to what you see as the problem. If it's the loot system you have issue with, state that at the outset, don't go flaming a guild after the fact without attempting to discuss the matter in game first in more detail. That's just bad behavior.
The original poster shared an experience which occurred in-game while he was grouped with other players, and likewise I did the same. I expressed my feelings towards the group of individuals that I grouped with, and those with like-minded behavior, attitude, and play-style. No where did I comment on the original poster's experience, except to state that what he described, (not necessarily what occurred), was very similar to something that I, myself had experienced.
I don't need all of the facts concerning the incident in question, because I'm not interested in sorting anything out, nor am I concerned with getting to the bottom of things.
I don't mediate player collision.
You're correct, I'm a Blizzard Representative. Specifically, however, I'm a Community Manager. My function in this role is to share with players everything WoW, including my own experiences as a player, my thoughts, and my opinions. When I'm speaking on behalf of our studio, I'll explicitly state such.
In this case, I made no mention of "Blizzard's" stance, thoughts, perspective, or take.
I am truly sorry that you believed what I had outlined was directed towards you. However, I don't apologize for sharing that which occurred, nor do I apologize for expressing how I felt about my situation. I'm very happy to hear that you and your guild do not operate in group situations with non-guilded players in the manner which I described.
It's not very fun to be in a group where players disregard the feelings of those around them.[ post edited by Eyonix ]
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6999842&p=#post7003062 | Poster: Eyonix at 2/6/2006 4:57:24 PM PST
Subject: Re: Master Looter:"I know it's a crooked game *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Harsh luck for you and the OP. I guess I should consider myself very lucky that I have not run into a problem like this before.
I wouldn't necessarily call it "luck". I've been on hundreds upon hundreds of pick-up runs for Stratholme, Scholomance and UBRS, some of which were good, some of which were bad. I consider the situation and what occurred (not necessarily the specifics), to be part of a very predictable ratio which exists due to common human behavior.
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