Poster: Cyma at 10/20/2005 2:44:10 AM PDT Subject: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania again |
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Would it have hurt to label us one server so we could play the game that you sold us?
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 2:32:08 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Here's an honest question for you folks.
Would you want an "Oceania" realm if:
- It still received maintenance at the same time as the other realms?
- It was located in the US, thus not increasing your latency?
- We could not offer transfers to this new realm (until such time as the Transfer service was available, of course)?
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 2:32:08 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga *edited post* |
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Here's an honest question for you folks.
Would you want an "Oceania" realm if:
- It still received maintenance at the same time as the other realms?
- It was located in the US, thus not decreasing your latency?
- We could not offer transfers to this new realm (until such time as the Transfer service was available, of course)?
[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 2:41:47 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Blue, u could offer us transfers one server at a time over a few weeks. You could also have server located in Aus that could be looked after by others.
Im just assuming here
I mean, even if i was in the states still, it would be good to have all the aussies on our server so we could do lots together,
but i dont know
The conditions I stated above would be in place should there be an "official Oceania realm" at this time. That's why I'm asking.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 2:44:52 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: That depends, would you still thoroughly investigate the option of locating servers in Australia or would you consider that you've done enough at that and wash your hands of it thereafter?
Honestly, I'm not certain on that score.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 2:58:07 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: I think the whole point is that they would want it on maintenance schedule that suited their timezone, otherwise there is not much point in labelling an Oceania.
It seems like you're offering a choice without really offering a choice.
This is why I'm asking. I'm not saying this is what we plan on doing. What I am inferring, however, is that if we gave an "Oceania" realm, that's what you'd get at this stage. Hence my question to see what your thoughts are.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 3:05:39 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Cay, it seems that an Oceanic server being tacked onto the Korean hub, with Korean downtimes, hasn't been acknowledged as a possibility by blues when its been mentioned previously.
Is it? If not, do you know why?
Thanks
As far as I'm aware, it's due to the setup of equipment and support there. This is not being considered as an option at this time to my knowledge.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 3:47:57 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Here's a question for you Cay: if an "official Oceania" server were set up, would it still be open to the general population?
Yes. We would not limit the realm based on IP.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 3:55:24 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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There would be no Australian GM support, either, I'm afraid.
Kaymoras, what I am "offering" is a look into what we could do right now to get you an "official" Oceania realm. I'm looking to see how people feel about what I stated, since that's what would be done if we did it at all currently. I know, however, that while it alleviates one issue (finding other Aussies/Kiwis/etc.), it does not solve several other issues those players currently have (latency, maintenance times, etc.), and we would not be able to offer transfers off current realms to the new Oceania realm aside from the upcoming pay transfer service (to my knowledge).
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 3:57:08 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Perhaps you should re -read , if the server is based in the US , still on US maintenance schedules and they will not be stopping account creation by IP, how is this any different to any other new server other than a sticky label on it that says Oceania ?
It wouldn't be, and I'm not purporting otherwise.
I'm saying that that's what an official "Oceania" realm would be if we made one at this point.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 5:18:20 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Caydiem,
You sound like a typical ignorant american.
WE NEED A SERVER BASED IN AUSTRALIA, NOT AMERICA AND THEN LABELLED (AUSTRALIAN/NZ).
It would defeat the purpose.
Get Blizzard to put their hands in their pockets (I'm sure they can with all the millions they get) and get us atleast one server located in Australia.
Otherwise don't reply to our threads and continue to ignore us like you have been since the release of this game.
Good day.
Tch, please, insults are not the answer.
I know very well the difficulties you're facing with the realms based in the US. That does not invalidate my question. The very fact that I named off those stipulations in the manner I did rather proves that I know what your primary issues are in this case, no?
However, I am asking a very serious question. I asked if you Oceanic folks would utilize an "official" Oceania realm that was based in the US, had the same maintenance time, did not allow free transfers from your current realm, did allow the general public to join, and did not have Australian-specific support. It's not the ideal you're after, and I completely understand that. However, the community's ideal and what we can offer currently are two different things.
What I am asking is the latter. Now, many of you have said "yes" with conditions attached that included something I specifically checked off the list; while I understand that, that's not really what I was asking. What I laid out is what we can currently offer in terms of an Oceania realm.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 6:23:57 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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I will say, folks, that we do strongly encourage you to move off Blackrock. I know it's been your home for a long time, but with a concerted effort, you could get enough Aussies over there to make it worthwhile and keep the popularity at your time schedule.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 6:42:50 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: LOL!!!
And what are you offering them that might even remotly encourge them to do so? Nothing!!!
Blackrock already HAS a servicable population of Australians. WHY would ANYONE want to give up their lv 60 just to make it easier on you lot when you refuse to offer a transfer or any other sort of compensation?
Trust me, I would like little more then to see the Blackrock Australian population join us on a new server but I bloody sure as heck cannot see it happening with downright tragic offering you are bringing to the table and to be honest, I don't blame them.
I ask you Cay, if you where in their position, would YOU drop your lv 60 druid and start over? I wager not...
I'm not asking you to drop your character. There are character transfers open. What I'm asking is a concerted effort among you folks to transfer off the realm and alleviate some of its overpopulation troubles while still keeping your friends -- and thus your crowd around your time.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 8:45:57 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: We already have a server that you just described, it's called Blackrock.
I'm sorry to inform you Caydiem that Blizzard won't be able to take the easy way out if they want to shut us up.
We will not accept an "Oceania" server (that should have been present at release) that we have to pay to transfer to.
We will not accept an "Oceania" server with downtime right in the middle of our prime time on a Tuesday night, effectively removing 4 days from our monthly subscription.
We will not accept an "Oceania" server that is playable by non-Australians who will have an advantage for no other reason than they live closer to the server.
An Oceania server must:
- Be free to transfer to.
- Have maintenance at 5:00am Australian time.
- Located in Oceania - preferably Australia.
Anything else is simply not acceptable. You will get the odd few people who will agree to your current offer, but that's only because they don't play on Blackrock and are desperate to play with fellow Australians.
We will continue to kick up a fuss on the forums. We will continue to stay on Blackrock and make it the most difficult server to manage. We will continue to reject your pitiful offerings and laugh at your audacity.
You cannot silence us. You cannot treat the rest of the world like peasants who are lucky to share your presence. We want our cake and we want to eat it too.
And there's not one damn thing you can do to stop us.
I respect your position.
However.
First, you do not speak for all Australians, New Zealanders, and other Oceanic denizens, so I would suggest dropping the "we" and using "I" to more properly denote whom you represent. These are your personal feelings, not that of an entire geographic area, however much you may wish to deny it.
Second, what I stated is what we can offer you currently. I may be able to negotiate transfers, but that's it. There are no plans for a realm based in Oceania with different maintenance times and IP blockage at this time -- period. This is a compromise, the best one I can offer right now.
The question was posed.
Your personal answer is no.
Thank you for your feedback.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 8:51:35 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Caydiem, just to spell things out in detail, can you currently answer any or all of these questions:
1) If Blizzard created a server or servers like the one you described, would the "pick a server depending on your location and prefered realm type" page direct people from Oceania to it/them, and not direct people from the continental US to it/them, by offering a choice other than "USA" on that page?
2) How would that page treat people from Alaska and Hawaii?
3) Would this realm have its day/night cycle, day of the week, and clock set to an Oceania timezone (such as, to pinck an obvious example, that of the heavily populated east coast of Australia)? (Note that an Australian timezone is not ~8 hours later than the US Pacific timezone, it's ~16 hours earlier, because of the international dateline, and this matters for things like the Sunday fishing festival.)
4) Would it have its winter/summer cycle set to the southern hemisphere (but obviously with the same in-game seasonal festival events, no one expects Hallows End in April)? (As far as I know winter/summer only affects one thing in fishing, but there may be more, or may come to be more if you guys ever implement weather like you were talking about back in beta.)
5) If Blizzard did this, presumably there would be at least one PvP server and one PvE server. Do you currently have any idea whether there would be enough demand to support an RP server and/or a PvP-RP server as well? How about supporting more than one PvP or PvE server? (Obviously its easy for you to find out how many copies you sold in Oceania and how many people log on during Oceania peak times, but obviously it's hard for you to know how many of those would reroll on these new servers if they were created, and clearly you don't want to make any comments at this point that might be construed as promises that you can't be sure will be economically viable.)
(And for the various people addressing Caydiem as "sir", she's actually a "ma'm".)
1) I'm not certain, honestly. It would require a bit of a UI change, but I'm not positive how that would function.
2) See #1.
3) If we could swing it, yes, I believe it'd be set so you'd be able to play in daylight for once. ;)
4) Probably not; that's in-game content we can't switch.
5) At this point, it'd probably be one PvP and one PvE realm.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 8:53:19 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Sorry to reiterate Caydiem, but do you understand that in some ways a bandaid fix is actually more insulting to us than no fix?
Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, that's what we have to offer at the moment. I can't change it.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 9:14:35 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: Cay, can I suggest a slight modification of what you are suggesting? Instead of, or as well as, creating new official Oceania-labeled servers like the ones you are suggesting, how about changing Blackrock and Proudmoore into official OCeania-labeled servers? I understand that many USD player on them migh not be overjoyed by this, so how about you do it while simultaineously allowing free transfers off them to a pair of low pop servers that are in the same US timezone they're currently in, like you are currently doing on Blackrock? Result: lost of happy Oceania poeple on Blackrock and Proudmoore, no disruption to Oceania raid guilds who already have lots of L60s tehre, lots of US folk transfer to the new servers fixing the overcrowding on Blackrock. The only big downside I can see is that when you finally do introduce paid transfers, you don't then get a big windfall from a massive paid migration of Oceania folk from Blackrock/Proudmoore to the designated Oceania servers.
That will not be happening, I'm afraid. Blackrock and Proudmoore already have issues; we have no desire to make them more attractive to people and exacerbate the problem.
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Poster: Caydiem at 10/20/2005 10:58:18 PM PDT Subject: Re: New servers... Blizz neglects Oceania aga |
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Q u o t e: ??
Have you gone to bed Cay? or are you assembling our Aussie designated US Server :)
I'm around, but it's 11PM here in the States. Not much I can do right now. :P
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