Poster: Falariel at 9/26/2005 4:27:08 PM PDT
Subject: Racial Class choices... |
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Last night my roommate and I were wondering how exactly certain classes fit with some of the races. Our first subject was a Gnome Warrior, but then it spread to Dwarf Rogues and others. I thought about it some and came up with a different Class selection for the different races.
This is the class/race system that is in the game:
Alliance
Dwarf
Hunter
Paladin
Priest*
Rogue*
Warrior
Gnome
Mage
Rogue
Warlock
Warrior*
Human
Mage
Paladin
Priest
Rogue
Warlock
Warrior
Night Elf
Druid
Hunter
Priest*
Rogue
Warrior*
Horde
Tauren
Druid
Hunter
Shaman
Warrior
Orc
Hunter
Rogue*
Shaman*
Warlock
Warrior
Undead
Mage
Priest
Rogue
Warlock
Warrior
Troll
Hunter
Mage
Priest*
Rogue
Shaman
Warrior*
Now, all of the classes that are listed with an * are classes that I feel don't fit with the given race. My reasoning is as follows:
Dwarves are more of a brute force race, so being a priest doesn't quite fit, nor does sneaking around in the shadows plotting others demise (Think Gimli, does he really seem like the type to go the subtle route?). Paladins fit fine, for they are warrior/healers and are intended more for melee combat than healing anyway.
Gnomes are not warriors. They are sneaky little midgets that know everything (before you flame, I am not directing insults at either short people or smart people...so bite me ;) ). Simply put, a Gnome warrior is stupid.
Humans are a diverse race, hence the racial bonus to Diplomacy. That being said, Humans should also be able to have Hunters as a class choice. It balances out across the factions as well, as three races on either side will have Hunter class choices. Other than that, no removals.
Night Elves should lose priests because the Druid fits better into their Race as a healer. A priest doesn't quite fit in my opinion and it will also balance out across the Factions with only one race on either side having priests (that being Undead and Human). Also, while warrior can fit, Night Elves are more of a subtle race and are not inclined to go the brute-force way. Again, this balances out class choices across factions as well.
Tauren No changes. Strangely, the only race that has all its classes mostly complete.
Orcs are, like Dwarves, a brute force race. Rogues don't fit in here. Shaman make more sense with a race that is more tuned towards nature. Doesn't work for a race that has been portaled onto this planet from across the cosmos.
Trolls lose their priests, as Shamans will be their healers in this race (compare them to the Night Elves: no priest, yes druid). While warriors can fit well into this race I removed it mostly for balance reasons.
With my design, each faction has 16 different Race/Class combinations as opposed to the current spread of 20 to each side.
Now, my main question is why exactly the Developers decided to allow warriors for every race and how Rogues fit into the Dwarf and Orc races. I've put quite a bit of thought into this and would like some serious responses to it. Anyone have any other suggestions? Obviously this cannot be changed now as there are so many people with Race/Class combinations that I have removed, so this is just a hypothetical debate for those of you who are bored at work/home and whatnot.
"Quit trolling the bedroom you noob..."-Tad
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 4:59:18 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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Q u o t e:
Dwarves are more of a brute force race, so being a priest doesn't quite fit, nor does sneaking around in the shadows plotting others demise (Think Gimli, does he really seem like the type to go the subtle route?). Paladins fit fine, for they are warrior/healers and are intended more for melee combat than healing anyway.
Dwarves do have faith in the Light, as evidenced by their recent induction to the Silver Hand (Paladins). Since you have no problems with them being Paladins and having faith, the idea of them wholly dedicating themselves as persons of the cloth shouldn't faze you much, either. As for rogues, think of them more as masters of distraction rather than stealthy, shadowy figures. I've played many a Dwarf Rogue; they're normally loud and boisterous while remaining canny. This allows them to misdirect individuals while picking their pocket or sapping them on the back of the head.
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Gnomes are not warriors. They are sneaky little midgets that know everything (before you flame, I am not directing insults at either short people or smart people...so bite me ;) ). Simply put, a Gnome warrior is stupid.
Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. A Gnome Warrior is trained to compensate for his lack of height by using his advantages -- his head for knowledge and quick movements allow him to remember and exploit weaknesses of larger opponents. A vicious little runt Hamstringing you with a sword doesn't sound plausible? ;)
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Humans are a diverse race, hence the racial bonus to Diplomacy. That being said, Humans should also be able to have Hunters as a class choice. It balances out across the factions as well, as three races on either side will have Hunter class choices. Other than that, no removals.
Humans are more domesticated, and are not as well-adapted to the wild as Dwarves -- used to the harsh conditions of Dun Morogh -- and Night Elves. Dwarves track game out of necessity, for their environment is unforgiving; Night Elves are attuned to the wild as a matter of course. Humans fit nowhere along these lines, and would much rather be in a city than tramping about in the muck.
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Night Elves should lose priests because the Druid fits better into their Race as a healer. A priest doesn't quite fit in my opinion and it will also balance out across the Factions with only one race on either side having priests (that being Undead and Human). Also, while warrior can fit, Night Elves are more of a subtle race and are not inclined to go the brute-force way. Again, this balances out class choices across factions as well.
Night Elf Priests worship Elune; if you think this doesn't fit the race, you're probably unfamiliar with the lore. In the past, the Priestesses of the Moon have been some of the most powerful fighters for their way of life. Their faith factors heavily into their lifestyle. Sentinels are the Warriors of the Night Elves -- there have often been Kaldorei who eschewed magic and took up glaive or steel in order to fight their enemies. This is very much in keeping with the lore on both ends.
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Orcs are, like Dwarves, a brute force race. Rogues don't fit in here. Shaman make more sense with a race that is more tuned towards nature. Doesn't work for a race that has been portaled onto this planet from across the cosmos.
Hah. Rogues don't fit? Don't tell that to Garona, the Half-Orc, Half-Draenei assassin, as well as the assassins that worked under Gul'Dan during the second war. History bears out on the fact that Orcs have been extremely skilled in the ways of stealth in the past. And Shaman not fitting? Before they came to Azeroth, the native Orcs on Draenor were a highly Shamanistic society; it was their faith and their guidance. Stating that Shamans do not fit with Orcs is the equivalent of saying that Ale does not fit with Dwarves.
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Trolls lose their priests, as Shamans will be their healers in this race (compare them to the Night Elves: no priest, yes druid). While warriors can fit well into this race I removed it mostly for balance reasons.
There have been many Priests of the Troll race in their long history. Gods run amok throughout their ancient tales, and they did have zealous followers. Trolls have savage faith, but faith they have in good amounts. Warriors, again, fit quite well with Trolls due to the savage nature of the race.
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Now, my main question is why exactly the Developers decided to allow warriors for every race and how Rogues fit into the Dwarf and Orc races. I've put quite a bit of thought into this and would like some serious responses to it. Anyone have any other suggestions? Obviously this cannot be changed now as there are so many people with Race/Class combinations that I have removed, so this is just a hypothetical debate for those of you who are bored at work/home and whatnot.
Warriors are the base class; the general line of thinking, to my knowledge, is that every race should have foot soldiers in a war. It takes faith to be a Priest, skill in tracking to be a Hunter, and a desire to consort with Demons to be a Warlock... but every race sees the practicality inherent in simply taking up a weapon and fighting the good fight on the front lines.
Everything else I've explained as to how they fit in lore.
No more "O RLY" Bird. I'm serious.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 5:42:55 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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Well, I didn't do my full Warrior explanation for Gnomes, but I'll tack on the second part and elaborate on the first.
Think of Gnome Warriors as those fellows who really enjoy war games. They love to plan out strategies regardless of life calling, but a Warrior helps carry them out, strategizing on the battlefield itself. A mind that's keen on holding factoids is perfect for running a battle, understanding supplies, forces available, and all the small but necessary bits of information that are required to run a successful war.
In actual fights, they're quick, but also knowledgeable. How can a Gnome block an Ogre's swing with a shield? Why, with quick thinking, of course -- proper estimations of the club's trajectory combined with body positioning to maximize shock absorption are well within the realm of a Gnome's quick-thought way of life. It's a challenge to the Gnome, no mistake, but it's exhilarating.
And as for taunting, who better than the Gnome to be front and center, drawing the attention and anger of enemies? As can be seen around these forums and the games, Gnomes have a knack for annoying creatures without really trying. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 10:47:51 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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Then why, may I ask, can tauren not be rogues if rogues are masters of distraction and not stealthy, shadowy types? Everyone else gets to be rogues... even the super tall easily noticeable trolls and nightelves. Either remove gnome warriors(Which I know you cannot do, because of people whining and moaning about them having to choose new classes) or allow tauren to be rogues and gnomes to be priests.
Why can't Tauren be Rogues? Hooves. ;) Also, their society isn't really one that appreciates deception of any kind.
Why can't Gnomes be Priests? Their analytical, "I need to break something down to understand it" way of going about things is completely against the simple ways of faith. They are firmly grounded in what they can see and touch.
No more "O RLY" Bird. I'm serious.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 10:53:22 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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Since when is Garona Half-Draeni? She doesn't even look anything like one in any of the forms I've seen her (Warcraft 1, cover of some gaming magazine, WoW).
Everyone needs to realize that tons of Warcraft lore is being made up on the spot for WoW. Its pretty much ruined any continuity the Warcraft universe has (the list of things introduced in order to facilitate Warcraft's integration into an MMO and explained with an attempt at official lore is endless; take, for example, the fact that the Alliance and Horde are fighting in the first place, despite the fact that the Scourge is supposed to be incredibly powerful but somehow has all of its strongest forces contained within a couple of zones)), but I like Starcraft more anyway.
The Draenei you know are corrupted through their portal travels, so don't assume based on appearance. Garona is Half-Draenei because there is no way she could be Half-Human considering the timeline. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 11:15:38 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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Why do the Draeni on Outland (Draenor) look like that then?
Draenor itself was corrupted as the portals tore it apart -- the Draenei were often victims of that power.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 11:53:08 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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editing my post and trying to be funny doesnt prove anything but the fact that i am right blue. Like i said you can jsut step on the gnome with your tauren and squash it liek a bug , dont even have to hit it.
We can't edit your post.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/27/2005 12:24:00 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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I haven't read the whole thread, so please excuse me if this has already been brought up.
I'm just wondering why there aren't any night elf mages? They seem to have a number in Dalarian (sp?).
There are no Night Elf mages in Dalaran. Night Elves have foresworn Arcane magic due to the disasters it wrought with the Sundering. What magic-inclined Night Elves there were happened to be exiled -- they became the High Elves, and by extension Blood Elves, we know today.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/27/2005 11:04:11 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... |
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Druids (including Night Elf ones) use Arcane magic. Most of their Balance tree of spells is arcane based (ie Starfire, Moonfire).
The Night Elf Priest racial spell is Starshards, another Arcane spell.
Night Elves currently only have 2 caster classes, and they both have arcane spells. So, try again with the lore, Caydiem.
While Hunter and Druid spells are classified as "Arcane" damage mechanics-wise, it isn't arcane in lore. It's magic based on the beliefs of the people, technically "holy" power. It is not the destructive elemental force that split the Night Elves apart.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 11:15:38 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... *edited post* |
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Why do the Draeni on Outland (Draenor) look like that then?
Draenor itself was corrupted as the portals tore it apart -- the Draenei were often victims of that power.
No more "O RLY" Bird. I'm serious.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/26/2005 11:53:08 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... *edited post* |
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editing my post and trying to be funny doesnt prove anything but the fact that i am right blue. Like i said you can jsut step on the gnome with your tauren and squash it liek a bug , dont even have to hit it.
We can't edit your post.
No more "O RLY" Bird. I'm serious.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/27/2005 12:24:00 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... *edited post* |
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I haven't read the whole thread, so please excuse me if this has already been brought up.
I'm just wondering why there aren't any night elf mages? They seem to have a number in Dalarian (sp?).
There are no Night Elf mages in Dalaran. Night Elves have foresworn Arcane magic due to the disasters it wrought with the Sundering. What magic-inclined Night Elves there were happened to be exiled -- they became the High Elves, and by extension Blood Elves, we know today.
No more "O RLY" Bird. I'm serious.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/27/2005 11:04:11 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Racial Class choices... *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Druids (including Night Elf ones) use Arcane magic. Most of their Balance tree of spells is arcane based (ie Starfire, Moonfire).
The Night Elf Priest racial spell is Starshards, another Arcane spell.
Night Elves currently only have 2 caster classes, and they both have arcane spells. So, try again with the lore, Caydiem.
While Hunter and Druid spells are classified as "Arcane" damage mechanics-wise, it isn't arcane in lore. It's magic based on the beliefs of the people, technically "holy" power. It is not the destructive elemental force that split the Night Elves apart.
No more "O RLY" Bird. I'm serious.
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