Poster: Valkyree at 9/7/2005 2:06:38 PM PDT
Subject: More freakin dragons... |
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In addition to those new areas, we'll also be adding some outright terrifying world raid encounters. Along with Azuregos and Lord Kazzak, the names of four green dragons—Ysondre, Lethon, Emeriss, and Taerar—will come to be feared throughout Azeroth.
There has GOT to be more creativity running around Blizz HQ than this. The game is filled to the brim with dragons already. Can't you design some newer form of demon perhaps or better yet delve back into lore and start bringing characters from WC3 back into the game? Give us something new not just a pink dragon instead of a red one that does eleventy billion damage instead of only 1239851 dmg with his fiery nostrils. Give us Northrend! Give us Illidan! Give us Arthas!!
Enough with the freakin dragons already. Bah.
Pachelbel's Canon will blow your ass up.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 2:11:48 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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Shoot, and here I was under the mistaken impression that the Five Aspects are a serious part of Warcraft lore and the green dragons being added to in fact seriously pertain to the world and beyond...
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 2:19:19 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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You're tired of dragons. I can understand that.
But don't make the mistake of claiming that these aren't lore-related.
Also, I think an introduction of characters like Illidan or Arthas would require a wee bit more work. Naturally they should be impressive and, let's face it, both probably in their current home areas, both of which aren't available in the game currently.
You're asking for the entire continent of Northrend or the shattered WORLD of Outland in a patch right after a dungeon and a battleground... well, let's just say that it'd take more time than that. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 2:11:48 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... *edited post* |
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Shoot, and here I was under the mistaken impression that the Five Aspects are a serious part of Warcraft lore and the green dragons being added to in fact seriously pertain to the world and beyond...
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 2:19:19 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... *edited post* |
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You're tired of dragons. I can understand that.
But don't make the mistake of claiming that these aren't lore-related.
Also, I think an introduction of characters like Illidan or Arthas would require a wee bit more work. Naturally they should be impressive and, let's face it, both probably in their current home areas, both of which aren't available in the game currently.
You're asking for the entire continent of Northrend or the shattered WORLD of Outland in a patch right after a dungeon and a battleground... well, let's just say that it'd take more time than that. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 6:25:51 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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Bump.
Would someone be able to provide an answer to this question?
Are Druids the kryptonite to these dragons or would all the lore and mythology be ignored?
Depends, again, entirely on the dragon.
Don't assume that, because Druids may well get attacked, lore is being ignored. Instead, understand that there might well be another reason behind it. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 6:33:15 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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This would seriously dissapoint me. Again, if the Greens are made "evil" due to some pathetic excuse like the "nightmare" I will cancel my account. I really don't like the Lore getting trampled upon by silly ideas.
And yes, Greens and Druids should co-exsist. The only reason they might not is Staghelm, who sadly, Alliance players can't kill. No, we get dragons to kill, not the real arse.
Edit: to clear up grammatical ambiguity.
Please understand that I'm not speaking about the entire Green Dragonflight, necessarily. The lore is not being trampled upon in any way. I'm sorry if you don't like the idea of the Nightmare, but it's just as much a part of the lore as the Dragonflight itself. The lore as a whole is a package deal, I'm afraid.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 6:47:38 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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Then while we are on the subject of lore...Why is EVERY dragon in the game a flat-out mindless monster?
The Red flight owe humans BIG TIME after they saved their queen and therefore their race from eternal slavery and despite being an honorable race, repay their rescuers by...Well attacking them on sight as they would orcs.
The Blue flight which you must seek in efforts to fight Onyxia will help you but only after butchering a whole family of their young and protectors on the way to the teleporter. Not to mention the outdoor raid boss who has no story behind him and is just attacked because he has a small armory in his belly.
And now we have the Green who should be the LAST flight that get involved with affairs of the material world also becoming loot-bags...
So while I do agree the dragons are important Cay, one has to ask WHEN are they going to be important and not just another mob to kill...?
Err, the lore is there.
Azuregos is not hostile, but neutral for example; he's protecting the magical artifacts surrounding the ruins from falling into mortal hands.
Vaelastrasz can show up during the fight with Rend to be on your side, and when you meet him in Blackwing Lair, it is against his will that he fights you.
While this quest line is as yet unfinished, you can bring the Chained Essence of Eranikus back to his flight and begin working with that fellow to aid the green dragonflight.
You can aid the Bronze dragons in their observation and research of the strange happenings around Anderhol.
You can save a red dragon in the thorny lair of Razorfen Downs.
They're part of the world, and you're helping them more often than you think. I'm sure more will come along the line. Remember that they do have other goals, and Dragonflights are not hive-minds -- each individual has free will, and while there is a general goal for every flight, that does not mean each and every scaled representative of the flight follows that ideal. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:00:26 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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and those of us who no longer have the chained essence of erikanus..?
That answer will come when the quest line is slated to continue.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:10:14 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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While that is true, that does not explain why most dragons will attack unprovoked and on sight. Like my example above, Why would greens seem so keen to rip in NE or Tauren? Why would the reds want to murder the humans for no reasons? Why are the blues pretty much wanting to kill anyone in the material realm that fights the Black flight? Heck take the wetlands. You have red dragons on one side, the tribe of orcs that enslaved them on the other and yet who do the reds attack? Everyone else...
I just wish the dragons seemed a little more like what they are in the story and not just random mobs that pick fights with everyone for no reason.
Again, there can be more complex reasons than you're stating for them to attack you. The blues, for example, may well take exception to pretty much every single character's desire to achieve highly prized and powerful artifacts, which goes directly against what they stand for.
The reds in the area of Grim Batol may not necessarily be of Alexstrasza's will, considering the area and what happened there.
Again, I understand what you're saying, but I ask that you have a little bit more open mind yourself. You're disappointed because they're hostile and assume they're just mobs to kill; I present that they probably have more complex reasons than just "rar, player to munch" when they see you.
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:15:59 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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well where are the oneswho ARE of her will? The only dragons we see in the world are hostile(save a few in instances)
Vaelastrasz is of her will, though enslaved by Nefarian, actually.
Azuregos is, again, not hostile. He is neutral.
And you see several more dragons that are not hostile -- the difference is that they have more sense than to be tromping around in dragon form when there are loot-hungry mortals about. Have a Hunter friend track dragonkin sometime. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:17:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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Well not that disappointed, more confused if anything. I did think though all the dragons where under the control of their queen, for instance WC2 when the entire race was forced to serve the orcs when their queen was captured? Correct me if I am wrong though.
Remember, too, that the flights (the dragons) were decimated, and the creatures you see generally aren't dragons; they're either whelps, dragonkin (former mortals), or drakes.
The only dragons in game at the moment (who appear in dragon form) are:
Nefarian
Onyxia
Eranikus
Azuregos
Vaelastrasz.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:22:33 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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I dunno...If I was worried about "Loot hungry mortals" (And for such a "superor" race they sure are sterotypical...) and my natural form was the fantasy equivalent of an Apache gunship, I don't think I would be too scared in showing it off... :)
If I were hundreds of years old and had seen what devastation the mortals can wreak on Azeroth, I'd have a little more sense in general than to be tempting fate by standing about in dragon form unless I absolutely had to. :P
Archimonde and Mannoroth seemed to have no problem with tromping about for all to see... oh, wait, mortals felled them, didn't they? :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:25:35 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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Whoa, hold the bus...Whelps arnt dragons...? I thorght they where baby dragons?
Also what is the deal with dragonkin and drakes then? I just assumed they where different types of dragons? Are they just offshoots of the dragon evolution?
Sorry for the continued questioning but you just opened a whole can of worms then. :)
They're not full-blown dragons, no. Yes, it's a younger stage, but they take a looooong time to grow up. The responsibilities of the flight, to my knowledge, lay most firmly on the adults.
Dragonkin, however, are not a stage in a dragon's lifecycle in any way. :P[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:30:20 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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Bah demons dont count! Everyone knows when you sign up for the whole demonship contract it comes with a shopping list of downsides including fear of silly old men waving crosses around and becoming powerless at the sound of your very own name. (Which is why I guess demons are always grumpy, they can never attend social events without someone going "Hey Mannoroth! Haven't seen you in ages! How goes the wife and the...Oh...Yeah...Sorry 'bout that buddy...")
In this case, demons do very much count. :P
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/7/2005 7:35:35 PM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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...Ok...
I just KNOW im going to regret asking this but...Where do dragonkin come from then...?
The dragonkin are retainers, assistants of the flight. It is said that they were once humanoids who served the flights, and spent their lives so close to the dragons and surrounded by their magic that they took on draconic traits after generations of servitude.
Not born from dragons, though. ;)
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Poster: Caydiem at 9/8/2005 1:45:20 AM PDT
Subject: Re: More freakin dragons... |
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But they were the suck! Some Dreadlords managed to survive by attaching themselves to superior beings, such as Banshee Queens. Or certain Crusades. I really wonder if that whole thing was just to piss off his brother…
Anyway, the new post kinda mentions Slithus, but maybe you guys should really develop Slithus next that way we can fight the Zerg instead of Dragons or Undead for a change. And no Zombie dragons or anything. Though Kerrigan looks like Zombie(depending on how Blizzard decides to draw her, they have like 5 forms) so maybe just have a Cerebrate around.
But god help you Cay, you better make some reason for Dwarfs and Trolls to be there. I don't pay $15 dollars a month to NOT kill Dark Iron dwarfs and Trolls. You can fill the oceans with all the Troll blood that has been spilled, and thats just the NPC's.
I've seen both Dwarves and Trolls in the new Silithus. :P
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