Poster: Gunslinger at 4/30/2005 2:45:58 PM PDT
Subject: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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I took up Engineering as a hunter specifically to get Goblin Jumper Cables. When I reached 225 skill, I trained in Gnomish Engineering because, AT THE TIME, it had the best items available.
Recently, the recipe for Goblin Jumper Cables XL was added to the game. These are Goblin Engineering only; ok, fair enough, the name suggests it. Since Goblin Jumper Cables was the whole reason I took up Engineering in the first place, I unlearned Engineering, and picked it up again, so that I might train it up to 225 skill again, at great expense, and learn Goblin Engineering. To my $#@%ing dismay, I learned that choosing Goblin or Gnomish engineering is a PERMANENT choice, even if you unlearn the profession.
This isn't fair. If you are going to add recipes to the game that might tilt a person's choice, it's fair enough that they should have to unlearn the entire profession and retrain to the Master professions in order to switch. That's fair. But it is absolutely unfair to preclude us from switching professions when the professions are incomplete and are going to have recipes changed or added, especially since it is not at all clear that permanent exclusion is the consequence of making a choice. The game tells you the choice is permanent, but it doesn't tell you that the choice is permanent, even if you unlearn the profession.
It is my understanding that this is true for all the Master professions: Elemental, Dragonscale, or Tribal Leatherworking forever, Macesmith, Swordsmith, or Axesmith forever, etc.
Blizzard, PLEASE change your position on this.[ post edited by Gunslinger ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:01:23 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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"Requires Goblin Engineering"; Goblin Engineers can't use Gnomish Engineering devices and vice versa.
The recipe requires it, not the item. If an item is bind on equip, it normally says "Requires Engineering (XXX)" but NOT "Requires (Gnome/Goblin) Engineering".
We have no plans at this time to allow switching. It states very clearly when you select your path that there is no going back.
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:09:36 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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But it is intuitive to think that if you unlearn the profession, it is erased from your history. It is not stated "clearly" that you can NEVER switch. It sounds like a bug to me.
It is not a bug -- it is intended. You are told when you choose that you can never take another path.
In the case of the Goblins and the Gnomes, there is a professional rivalry between them. Upon choosing your path, you have sworn secrecy to your Gnomish or Goblin brethren -- you will never give their secrets away, but by the same token, neither will you be privy to the closely-guarded schematics of the other side.
You can't renege in this case.
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:12:26 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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So how do you account for new plans and recipes that would otherwise change a person's decision.
We can respec our talents if you mess with them in a way we don't like, it seems strange that we can't respec the specialization.
So you are basically saying it is his fault that he made the choice and then you added in something AFTER his choice that would have influenced his choice beforehand?
EDIT: On a different note, I am very impressed that the OP went through all that trouble to unlearn engineering and then relearn it up to 225...kudos and its unfortunate that the developers decide to shaft you without telling you before hand (What a waste of materials aint it? :()
We add and change abilities for classes all the time. We do the same with talents. If one class looks more attractive to you, then you're welcome to start it up, but we won't switch your current experienced character into a different class.
There are certain solid choices you make along the path of your character. Most are made in the beginning, but some come as you go. The splitting of professions is one such.
I'll pass your feedback along, but I know that there are no plans to change how this works at this time.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:18:06 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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I was referring to the fact that it adds into a class's overall desirability, not to respeccing within your class. Talents are not included in the "permanent choices".
Profession branching, however, is.
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:24:43 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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I wouldn't consider it "erasing" it from your memory, honestly. In my mind, it's more equivalent to tossing out all your schematics, books, and tools of the trade. Without these trappings of the profession, you cannot accurately create the products of your craft, and thus you "give up" the profession in question.
When you re-take it, you are paying again for the equipment and "refresher courses", so to speak.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:29:58 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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Wow. That's an awful lot of tap dancing. Wouldn't it be easier just to admit that its a bug? Its not like the game isn't full of them, after all.
I'm not admitting to something that isn't true, Yurd. For the last time... it is not a bug.
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:39:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond |
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I'd still like clarification as to why a "refresher course" as you called it is just as long as the original course.
If we are merely throwing away the tools of our trade why do we have to redo EVERYTHING.
That is my interpretation of it, Kurandris, as specified by the pronouns in that explanation. I am not the designer that came up with the system. I am, however, a role-player, and one that can work with such systems to create a feasible lore reason behind them.
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:01:23 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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"Requires Goblin Engineering"; Goblin Engineers can't use Gnomish Engineering devices and vice versa.
The recipe requires it, not the item. If an item is bind on equip, it normally says "Requires Engineering (XXX)" but NOT "Requires (Gnome/Goblin) Engineering".
We have no plans at this time to allow switching. It states very clearly when you select your path that there is no going back.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:09:36 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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But it is intuitive to think that if you unlearn the profession, it is erased from your history. It is not stated "clearly" that you can NEVER switch. It sounds like a bug to me.
It is not a bug -- it is intended. You are told when you choose that you can never take another path.
In the case of the Goblins and the Gnomes, there is a professional rivalry between them. Upon choosing your path, you have sworn secrecy to your Gnomish or Goblin brethren -- you will never give their secrets away, but by the same token, neither will you be privy to the closely-guarded schematics of the other side.
You can't renege in this case.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:12:26 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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So how do you account for new plans and recipes that would otherwise change a person's decision.
We can respec our talents if you mess with them in a way we don't like, it seems strange that we can't respec the specialization.
So you are basically saying it is his fault that he made the choice and then you added in something AFTER his choice that would have influenced his choice beforehand?
EDIT: On a different note, I am very impressed that the OP went through all that trouble to unlearn engineering and then relearn it up to 225...kudos and its unfortunate that the developers decide to shaft you without telling you before hand (What a waste of materials aint it? :()
We add and change abilities for classes all the time. We do the same with talents. If one class looks more attractive to you, then you're welcome to start it up, but we won't switch your current experienced character into a different class.
There are certain solid choices you make along the path of your character. Most are made in the beginning, but some come as you go. The splitting of professions is one such.
I'll pass your feedback along, but I know that there are no plans to change how this works at this time.
- Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:18:06 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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I was referring to the fact that it adds into a class's overall desirability, not to respeccing within your class. Talents are not included in the "permanent choices".
Profession branching, however, is.
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Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:24:43 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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I wouldn't consider it "erasing" it from your memory, honestly. In my mind, it's more equivalent to tossing out all your schematics, books, and tools of the trade. Without these trappings of the profession, you cannot accurately create the products of your craft, and thus you "give up" the profession in question.
When you re-take it, you are paying again for the equipment and "refresher courses", so to speak.[ post edited by Caydiem ]
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:29:58 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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Wow. That's an awful lot of tap dancing. Wouldn't it be easier just to admit that its a bug? Its not like the game isn't full of them, after all.
I'm not admitting to something that isn't true, Yurd. For the last time... it is not a bug.
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Assistant Community Manager
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Poster: Caydiem at 4/30/2005 3:39:29 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Blizz: this isn't fair; PLEASE respond *edited post* |
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I'd still like clarification as to why a "refresher course" as you called it is just as long as the original course.
If we are merely throwing away the tools of our trade why do we have to redo EVERYTHING.
That is my interpretation of it, Kurandris, as specified by the pronouns in that explanation. I am not the designer that came up with the system. I am, however, a role-player, and one that can work with such systems to create a feasible lore reason behind them.
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Assistant Community Manager
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