Poster: Torquemada at 2/12/2006 9:26:49 AM PST
Subject: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Why is this contest only open to a very few countries?! This is extremely unfair to the rest of us...
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/12/2006 2:58:43 PM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Unfortunately there are restrictions outside our control that apply to contests of this kind, and we have to abide by the laws and regulations of the different countries in Europe. Some restrictions apply due to the value of the prizes, some due to the nature of the contest - wherein the definition of "game of chance" is a tricky one. We do our best to work with (or around) this, but we will not gamble with the law and must therefore exclude some (this time many) countries from our contests. We will continue to gather information and look into the fine details of national laws to try include as many countries as possible in future contests.
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/14/2006 9:15:46 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Q u o t e:
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/contests/oneyear/index.html
"4. You do not need to be a subscriber to World of Warcraft."
My problem isn't with other players getting a chance to win something nice, it's with non-players getting that chance while I don't.
That paragraph deals with the definition of "promotional contest", which adds even more restrictions.
(Edit: the below text is not a response to the above quote)
Such things is the reality we have to face when making competitions. We're no more happy about it than you. And when it comes to legal matters I do put more faith in our legal department than posts on this forum. I'm sorry if that offends you.
While I understand and share the disappointment about the contests not being open to everybody, please keep this to a non-confrontational tone.
Thank you.[ post edited by Thundgot ]
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/15/2006 2:12:06 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Of course you'd better rely on your lawyers on this issue. The point here is that Microsoft, Electronic Arts and some other companies have actually run European and even world wide competitions with certain games. Even Guild Wars has done such a thing. So maybe it's just you've got the wrong people in your legal department or maybe it's just you took a wrong approach to the whole thing as I can't see why MS or EA can do it and you can't.
Or maybe they're more into gambling than us. I don't know, as I can't know what goes on in MS or EA, nor am I a lawyer.
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/15/2006 5:07:43 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Q u o t e:
and coming back straight to what thund said: afaik, all ingame "virtual" items are BLIZZARD PROPERTY (at least, that's what the eula sais and it's the direct reason why ebaying is not permitted) ... so please tell me... wait, even better: let some1 of your lawyer department exaplin you and us, where lies the problem giving ingame items?
I didn't say there was a problem. I said I wouldn't count on there being no laws affecting it. There could e.g. be a law saying you can't run a competition with prizes that do not become the property of the winner.
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If there are some legal problems, the least you must do is find the way to open de contests to all of your subscribers, changing prizes or something similar.
That's what we're aiming for. It's not a simple thing though.
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I don't really buy this crap, I've never heard of a law here in Portugal preventing this kind of contests. I just think Blizzard doesn't care about opening this contest to countries that have a small playerbase.
That logic wouldn't explain excluding e.g. Sweden.
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As said before, I understand the disappointment very much, but please keep this to a proper tone.
Thank you.
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/15/2006 5:10:07 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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NEVERTHELESS i second my own previous point, and i can't think of ANYTHING that prevents blizzard from giving away ingame rewards... they've done it before, giving tabards to the first rank14 guys and giving the murloc pet to blizzcon visitors (<- and this is even more complicated as the blizzcon was in USA, not EU)
The tabard was an ingame reward for an ingame achievement. The murloc pet was no contest. It was given to all participants at BlizzCon.
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/15/2006 5:55:28 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Q u o t e:
sending a "Pickup-line" or filling a wow-trivial on a web form is also "virtual" and could easily be considered "ingame" as the web forms part of your gaming service.
so, i don't see any difference.
"First person to rank 14" is measurable. "Best pickup line" is a matter of judges' taste (to simplify), and thus not measurable. Major difference there. Again, I'm no lawyer, but saying this is so easy is in my opinion a bit premature.
Also, I believe the website and forums are not defined as a part of the gaming service. Defining it as part of the service opens up a whole can of worms and it would possibly be the end of the forums.
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you gave away a ingame item for real life assistance in the states. no law prevented you giving some1 a virtual item, why do you have problems now of a sudden giving away ingame items?
Again, nobody said there was a problem with it. I said one shouldn't assume that there's no law affecting it. See one of my above posts.
I'm sure nothing is impossible. Just please do me the favor of not saying it's so extremely easy, as I doubt any of us have the full legal picture on the matter. If you've actually done this so easily, or otherwise know how to do it so easily, please do get in touch with our legal department. ;)[ post edited by Thundgot ]
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/15/2006 5:58:24 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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Added the most common question about contests to our FAQ:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-general-en&ThreadID=192967
Slightly updated texts to make them general, not specific for the current contests.
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Poster: Thundgot at 2/15/2006 6:29:42 AM PST
Subject: Re: One Year Anniversary Lore Contest |
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so, you say it IS possible...
I said "I'm sure nothing is impossible." By that you may deduct that it's possible for me to teleport to the centre of the Earth if you wish to. It's an expression. I'm not stating it is possible for me to teleport to the centre of the Earth. ;)
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and don't you have to agree that it would have been better to WAIT with this 1y contest till your law. dep. handled it so they could give out ingame stuff for the affecting countries. or just start researching EARLIER... they had 1 year to do the job after all.
No. Between having a contest for as many players as possible and having no contests until we can include everyone, I'd go for the former. My impression on legal matters is that you can wait a lifetime for them to be sorted out. :p
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who was the guy who thought that leaving most european countries out of the contests was a good idea?
Why do you assume that there was anybody saying that was a good idea? You seem awfully negatively inclined to this imagined person. Nobody thinks it's a great idea to leave anybody out. It's a choice of lesser evils.
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i can't even get in touch with the tech department when needed, i doubt i would reach the legal one ^^ besides, who does blizzard pay to do the job, them or me?
Well, you do seem to know an awful lot about how they should do their job. ;)
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