Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 8:18:19 AM PDT
Subject: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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First of all, Kazzak and Stonemaul are not full. They're marked as Full for now to avoid new players picking it as their realm.
Of Deathwing and Dunemaul it seems clear that Dunemaul have the largest number of players planning to move, hence this realm is pointed to Stonemaul, while Deathwing is pointed to Kazzak.
Stonemaul has so far only seen a peak concurrency of about 60% of the realm cap, and hardly saw any migration at all from Stormreaver this last week. We feel this should be adequate space for the Deathwing migration.
Kazzak has somewhat more players than Stonemaul (but not much) after the Daggerspine migration, but should still be able to house the Deathwing players wishing to migrate.
Note, however, that estimating the migration is not easy. There is a very varying number of 'unknowns' migrating, not showing up on forums or websites prior to the migration. We will be monitoring the migration closely each day next week, and might have to close the migration early.
If you are worried about your guild being split up, please submit an e-mail with the guild member list per this thread:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=975149
Feel free to post any questions and concerns here. I'll see what I can answer. Please mind the forum guidelines though. ;)
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 11:59:07 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
Still waiting for your response.
I will respond, but not right now. I've been stuck in two meetings and "some" moderation and need food and then have to handle some other things which I can't possibly leave undone before the weekend (while I can access the forums from home).
I'll get to it. Promise.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 8:18:19 AM PDT
Subject: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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First of all, Kazzak and Stonemaul are not full. They're marked as Full for now to avoid new players picking it as their realm.
Of Deathwing and Dunemaul it seems clear that Dunemaul have the largest number of players planning to move, hence this realm is pointed to Stonemaul, while Deathwing is pointed to Kazzak.
Stonemaul has so far only seen a peak concurrency of about 60% of the realm cap, and hardly saw any migration at all from Stormreaver this last week. We feel this should be adequate space for the Dunemaul migration.
Kazzak has somewhat more players than Stonemaul (but not much) after the Daggerspine migration, but should still be able to house the Deathwing players wishing to migrate.
Note, however, that estimating the migration is not easy. There is a very varying number of 'unknowns' migrating, not showing up on forums or websites prior to the migration. We will be monitoring the migration closely each day next week, and might have to close the migration early.
If you are worried about your guild being split up, please submit an e-mail with the guild member list per this thread:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=975149
Feel free to post any questions and concerns here. I'll see what I can answer. Please mind the forum guidelines though. ;)[ post edited by Thundgot ]
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 8:18:19 AM PDT
Subject: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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First of all, Kazzak and Stonemaul are not full. They're marked as Full for now to avoid new players picking it as their realm.
Of Deathwing and Dunemaul it seems clear that Dunemaul have the largest number of players planning to move, hence this realm is pointed to Stonemaul, while Deathwing is pointed to Kazzak.
Stonemaul has so far only seen a peak concurrency of about 60% of the realm cap, and hardly saw any migration at all from Stormreaver this last week. We feel this should be adequate space for the Dunemaul migration.
Kazzak has somewhat more players than Stonemaul (but not much) after the Daggerspine migration, but should still be able to house the Deathwing players wishing to migrate.
Note, however, that estimating the migration is not easy. There is a very varying number of 'unknowns' migrating, not showing up on forums or websites prior to the migration. We will be monitoring the migration closely each day next week, and might have to close the migration early.
If you are worried about your guild being split up, please submit an e-mail with the guild member list per this thread:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=975149
Feel free to post any questions and concerns here. I'll see what I can answer. Please mind the forum guidelines though. ;)
Update
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1018985&tmp=1#post1018985[ post edited by Thundgot ]
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 1:47:34 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
Deathwing wanted to move to a fresh realm with Dunemaul.
Dunemaul wanted to move to a fresh realm with Deathwing.
Kazzak were happy as they were and dont want Deathwing to migrate to them.
Stonemaul were happy as they were and dont want Dunemaul to migrate to them.
A very important "want" is also that players want to play on realms with a healthy population over time, something that is easy to forget and even easier to brush aside when looking at the immediate future only.
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Around SIXTEEN guilds from Deathwing are migrating, we wanted to mgirate because of the community we made with Dunemaul and the fact that our latency problems hopefully would be fixed on the new server.
Kazzak can easily take sixteen more guilds of regular raiding size. If all those are among the largest guilds in Europe... maybe not.
And already now: the community you've created together already is the heaviest argument in this matter, in my opinon. I'll get back to that.
Q u o t e:
Deathwing and Dunemaul have been planning over the last 3-4 weeks to migrate on a _fresh_ and _new_ server.
It has been very clear since we started this migration plan that Deathwing and Dunemaul would go to a realm already containing players if there was enough room still. If you have expected a frsh realm all the time I must urge you to read the information one more time.
Q u o t e:
kazzak has 8,3k account
No, it does not.
Q u o t e:
Stonemaul has already got 6000 Accounts
No, it does not.
Q u o t e:
You made this decision based on one thing only...the size of your wallet !
Ever heard of listening to your customers?
I hope you can see the contradiction when you read it again. ;)
Q u o t e:
You aren't answering anything! :<
There were these threads I had to take care of first...
Q u o t e:
This means that you shouldn't give us false hopes by telling us we will get a new, fresh server
We did not promise any realms after the first eight that they would get fresh realms.
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That was the direct replies. Now to my update.
First of all, thank you to everyone who provided constructive and calm input. It's greatly appreciated, and I assure you it's taken into thorough consideration.
Of all the arguments and comments I've seen there is one that stands out. We did not promise Deathwing and Dunemaul a fresh realm. We stated clearly from the beginning that the plans could change. Kazzak and Stonemaul are not full. The reported number of guilds that planned to migrate is not too much for the destination realms. But, the close bonds between the Deathwing and Dunemaul communities, that is a very valid and strong point.
Now, before I move on, allow me to explain how this one wasn't taken into consideration earlier. I hope you appreciate this openness on the topic and don't make me regret it by trying to point fingers and screaming for blood.
There are naturally many people working at Blizzard, and a lot happening all the time both in the community and in the offices. It's hard to think of everything all the time, and absolutely impossible for anyone to do everything. In this particular case it was a matter of dividing the work during a very hectic period, with the result of the request (not an actual quote) "please check how many are likely to migrate from each realm" was responded to with exactly that. The coordinated migration between Deathwing and Dunemaul was not included in the report, and not taken into account when migration was finally decided for next week.
Now, with this Deathwing / Dunemaul bond in mind I will make sure we look into other options for next week's migration. However, let me state right away that this does not mean that it will change - only that we will review it. We have already decided to open one fresh realm (Tarren Mill) next week, and will see whether we can somehow direct these two realms there, together. The tricky part is that the migrations from Frostmane and Grim Batol are wildcards - it's extremely hard to predict their size. It's a matter of population balancing, and this balancing act is not easy - no matter what you may think.
I'll keep you updated on our stance and decisions tomorrow. Again, thank you for your constructive input. Let's keep it at this level of communication. :)
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 1:54:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
Kazzak is full, it's 80% of the Daggerspine population which migrated, which are A LOT of accounts :)
Daggerspine used to be one of the biggest realms which the largest queues. Kazzak is just fine now, we had a small queue last sunday, an indication it IS full.
So what Thundgot states is probably he something he got ordered from his chief without any numbers backing it up.
I have all the numbers needed at my disposal. 80% is an exaggeration, no matter what numbers you look at (peak concurrency, accounts, characters...). ;)
Queue this last Sunday, or the one before? I'll check that realm cap tomorrow.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 2:33:28 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
btw, I just saw new migration plans for May 29th - June 2nd .
and Im shocked.
Stormrage --> Wildhammer (new realm)
Turalyon --> Wildhammer (new realm)
WOW. Just wow. I have no words that could describe how sad I feel.
Note: Those are PvE realms.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 2:48:20 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
What concerns me is that if deathwing and dunemaul get to migrate to tarren mill what about the overpopulated grim batol / frostmane, im sure lots of ppl are like omg we dont want this queue shiat lets all massivly migrate! so in that case were all stuck on tarren mill? with an even higher queue? correct me if im wrong ofc..
That is the exact possibility that makes those two realms wildcards in the migration. Regardless of the migration setup I think we'll have to be ready on the "close migration" button each day next week, just in case.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 2:50:22 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
And btw I would really appreciate if you could explain why PVE servers get a new one and PVP don't?
That's a peculiar way to look at it. During this migration we have opened 5 new PvP realms, and will open another one on Monday. This will be the first PvE realm we open during the migration.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 3:31:25 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Please do remember to read my update, which is linked to in the first post. ;)
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 11:59:07 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Still waiting for your response.
I will respond, but not right now. I've been stuck in two meetings and "some" moderation and need food and then have to handle some other things which I can't possibly leave undone before the weekend (while I can access the forums from home).
I'll get to it. Promise.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 1:47:34 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Deathwing wanted to move to a fresh realm with Dunemaul.
Dunemaul wanted to move to a fresh realm with Deathwing.
Kazzak were happy as they were and dont want Deathwing to migrate to them.
Stonemaul were happy as they were and dont want Dunemaul to migrate to them.
A very important "want" is also that players want to play on realms with a healthy population over time, something that is easy to forget and even easier to brush aside when looking at the immediate future only.
Q u o t e:
Around SIXTEEN guilds from Deathwing are migrating, we wanted to mgirate because of the community we made with Dunemaul and the fact that our latency problems hopefully would be fixed on the new server.
Kazzak can easily take sixteen more guilds of regular raiding size. If all those are among the largest guilds in Europe... maybe not.
And already now: the community you've created together already is the heaviest argument in this matter, in my opinon. I'll get back to that.
Q u o t e:
Deathwing and Dunemaul have been planning over the last 3-4 weeks to migrate on a _fresh_ and _new_ server.
It has been very clear since we started this migration plan that Deathwing and Dunemaul would go to a realm already containing players if there was enough room still. If you have expected a frsh realm all the time I must urge you to read the information one more time.
Q u o t e:
kazzak has 8,3k account
No, it does not.
Q u o t e:
Stonemaul has already got 6000 Accounts
No, it does not.
Q u o t e:
You made this decision based on one thing only...the size of your wallet !
Ever heard of listening to your customers?
I hope you can see the contradiction when you read it again. ;)
Q u o t e:
You aren't answering anything! :<
There were these threads I had to take care of first...
Q u o t e:
This means that you shouldn't give us false hopes by telling us we will get a new, fresh server
We did not promise any realms after the first eight that they would get fresh realms.
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That was the direct replies. Now to my update.
First of all, thank you to everyone who provided constructive and calm input. It's greatly appreciated, and I assure you it's taken into thorough consideration.
Of all the arguments and comments I've seen there is one that stands out. We did not promise Deathwing and Dunemaul a fresh realm. We stated clearly from the beginning that the plans could change. Kazzak and Stonemaul are not full. The reported number of guilds that planned to migrate is not too much for the destination realms. But, the close bonds between the Deathwing and Dunemaul communities, that is a very valid and strong point.
Now, before I move on, allow me to explain how this one wasn't taken into consideration earlier. I hope you appreciate this openness on the topic and don't make me regret it by trying to point fingers and screaming for blood.
There are naturally many people working at Blizzard, and a lot happening all the time both in the community and in the offices. It's hard to think of everything all the time, and absolutely impossible for anyone to do everything. In this particular case it was a matter of dividing the work during a very hectic period, with the result of the request (not an actual quote) "please check how many are likely to migrate from each realm" was responded to with exactly that. The coordinated migration between Deathwing and Dunemaul was not included in the report, and not taken into account when migration was finally decided for next week.
Now, with this Deathwing / Dunemaul bond in mind I will make sure we look into other options for next week's migration. However, let me state right away that this does not mean that it will change - only that we will review it. We have already decided to open one fresh realm (Tarren Mill) next week, and will see whether we can somehow direct these two realms there, together. The tricky part is that the migrations from Frostmane and Grim Batol are wildcards - it's extremely hard to predict their size. It's a matter of population balancing, and this balancing act is not easy - no matter what you may think.
I'll keep you updated on our stance and decisions tomorrow. Again, thank you for your constructive input. Let's keep it at this level of communication. :)
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 1:54:53 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Kazzak is full, it's 80% of the Daggerspine population which migrated, which are A LOT of accounts :)
Daggerspine used to be one of the biggest realms which the largest queues. Kazzak is just fine now, we had a small queue last sunday, an indication it IS full.
So what Thundgot states is probably he something he got ordered from his chief without any numbers backing it up.
I have all the numbers needed at my disposal. 80% is an exaggeration, no matter what numbers you look at (peak concurrency, accounts, characters...). ;)
Queue this last Sunday, or the one before? I'll check that realm cap tomorrow.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 2:33:28 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
btw, I just saw new migration plans for May 29th - June 2nd .
and Im shocked.
Stormrage --> Wildhammer (new realm)
Turalyon --> Wildhammer (new realm)
WOW. Just wow. I have no words that could describe how sad I feel.
Note: Those are PvE realms.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 2:48:20 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
What concerns me is that if deathwing and dunemaul get to migrate to tarren mill what about the overpopulated grim batol / frostmane, im sure lots of ppl are like omg we dont want this queue shiat lets all massivly migrate! so in that case were all stuck on tarren mill? with an even higher queue? correct me if im wrong ofc..
That is the exact possibility that makes those two realms wildcards in the migration. Regardless of the migration setup I think we'll have to be ready on the "close migration" button each day next week, just in case.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 2:50:22 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
And btw I would really appreciate if you could explain why PVE servers get a new one and PVP don't?
That's a peculiar way to look at it. During this migration we have opened 5 new PvP realms, and will open another one on Monday. This will be the first PvE realm we open during the migration.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 3:31:25 PM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Please do remember to read my update, which is linked to in the first post. ;)
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/19/2006 8:18:19 AM PDT
Subject: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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First of all, Kazzak and Stonemaul are not full. They're marked as Full for now to avoid new players picking it as their realm.
Of Deathwing and Dunemaul it seems clear that Dunemaul have the largest number of players planning to move, hence this realm is pointed to Stonemaul, while Deathwing is pointed to Kazzak.
Stonemaul has so far only seen a peak concurrency of about 60% of the realm cap, and hardly saw any migration at all from Stormreaver this last week. We feel this should be adequate space for the Dunemaul migration.
Kazzak has somewhat more players than Stonemaul (but not much) after the Daggerspine migration, but should still be able to house the Deathwing players wishing to migrate.
Note, however, that estimating the migration is not easy. There is a very varying number of 'unknowns' migrating, not showing up on forums or websites prior to the migration. We will be monitoring the migration closely each day next week, and might have to close the migration early.
If you are worried about your guild being split up, please submit an e-mail with the guild member list per this thread:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=975149
Feel free to post any questions and concerns here. I'll see what I can answer. Please mind the forum guidelines though. ;)
Update
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1018985&tmp=1#post1018985
Final decision
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1019769&tmp=1#post1019769[ post edited by Thundgot ]
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 5:44:58 AM PDT
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The decision
I'm sorry to have to tell you that the migration plan will not be changed. I know this will disappoint some of you, but there are many factors to the migrations, and when weighting them all as they should be the current plan stands as the strongest option.
I should also point out that the migration may be closed or redirected at any time to avoid Stonemaul and Kazzak becoming over-populated. If such amounts of players move in a single day that a realm become over-populated before we close the migration we will strongly consider to offer migration away from the realm later.
And to clarify one point: we do not agree with the predictions that nobody will move at all.
I'll also add that if we do decide to redirect the Deathwing or Dunemaul migration we will keep in mind that players on these realms would like to meet up. However, I would not advice to make plans based on this possibility, as although it's a possibility it is an unlikely one.
The reason
As said above there are many factors to the migration. I can quickly mention guild bonds, faction balance, and languages and nationalities. However, the one main factor, which has always been the major one (and the one that the entire migration is built on) is realm population.
The primary purpose of the migration is to reduce or remove the queue on the source realm(s).
The secondary purpose is to increase the population on low-populated realms to make sure they maintain a healthy population.
Based on this it should be noted that the only reason the realms migrating next week are going to recently opened realms is that we said earlier that they would do so. If we hadn't, we would direct the migration to e.g. Bladefist, Burning Blade and Daggerspine, to increase the population on those realms.
The priorities right now are:
1. Keep the promise to the realms that were told they'd migrate to the recently opened realms, while making sure the destination realms do not become over-populated.
2. Reduce the population on Frostmane and Grim Batol.
3. Increase the population on realms with low population after the migration, e.g. Bladefist, Burning Blade and Daggerspine.
4. As part of the above, offer migration to the highest populated realms that have not yet been offered migration and are experiencing queues regularly.
Closing words
Again; I realize the above decision will disappoint some of you. It was a hard decision to make, and I hope you will see our points and concerns just like we have made sure to thoroughly consider and debate yours. If you have questions or constructive feedback, feel free to post it here and I'll try to respond to some of it.
Thank you.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 6:41:05 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
You should start doing your homework and read on the realm pages on how guilds feel about this, in this case http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-realm-deathwing-en and http://www.dunemaul.org. Furthermore, you should read the thread http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-deathwing-en&t=83093&p=1&tmp=1#post83093 stating how many guilds that will move now to the destination realm. This migration won't solve the problems on the source realm(s) whatsoever, simply because no sane guild would ever want to move.
We have checked both the thread, the realm forums in general and the website as part of this review. Please note that migration is not used to address performance concerns. It's for population balancing (reducing queues and filling low-pop realms), not to solve technical issues.
Q u o t e:
...or moving to a server that already has experienced queues...
Kazzak has a fair way to go before it attains any queues. I double-checked the numbers from a week back just now to verify this.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 6:48:52 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
1) REMOVING THE LAG/LAGSPIKES/DISCONNECTIONS from the servers. ( = VERY HAPPY CUSTOMERS)
That is our top priority. But migration is not a tool in that work. See my above post.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 10:20:30 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
90% of the Stonemaul alliance is Russian
I don't have access to check the nationality of all account migrated, but far from 90% of the accounts currently on Stonemaul come from Warsong which is known for having a significant number of Russian players.
While language and nationality concerns is naturally something we keep in mind, we do not consider any realm as belonging to any language other than what it's tagged as - English, French or German. We will not close migration to a realm because it's percieved to be dominated by a language. Scepticism is to be expected and thus it may fill up slower. We won't abandon it to low population though.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 10:34:17 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
So you gladly "fill it up" with us then no matter how the community of Dunemaul feel about it?
There's no force in migration. It's up to each player whether he/she want to migrate, and I think you're very capable of making that decision. And nothing says this is the last chance to migrate from Dunemaul, though I won't speculate in the chances of open migration being made available in the very near future. That depends on the numbers of all other migrations too.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 10:48:41 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
Zenedar - Top guilds not migrating - Guilds killed Cthun
Ravencrest - Top guilds not migrating - Guilds killed Cthun
NOW How come you give THEM a new fresh realm??
Ravencrest and Zenedar go to Tarren Mill because the migration from those realms were always indicated as being very low. As one of the major tasks right now is to migrate players off Frostmane and Grim Batol - which are wildcards in this migration - having such low migration to Tarren Mill means the risks involved in migrating players from Frostmane and Grim Batol are much smaller.
If Tarren Mill would be populated with thousands of players from Deathwing and Dunemaul, and the Frostmane / Grim Batol migration turned out to be very large, Tarren Mill would end up in the situation Grim Batol is in now. I'm sure those migrating from Frostmane and Grim Batol would be rather upset about that.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 11:25:08 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
Your migration is of course voluntary, you really don't have to talk down to us in such childish terms, believe it or not, not everyone who plays wow and visits this forum with a complaint is a 10 year with learning disabilities.
You're right, we are very capable of making this decision, congratulations on the most pointless thing ever written.
We know, as players since day 1 that migrations will happen again, as the server becomes more and more unplayable (notice the word unplayable, as opposed to "full").
It was never my intention to talk down to anybody. I apologize if that's how it seemed.
I only wanted to make it clear we were not stuffing anybody onto a realm just because it could fit some more. The realm can definitiely benefit from an increase in population and we thus give you the opportunity to move there. I also wanted to point out the possibility (not certainty, barring the paid character-transfer service) of other opportunities later, without wanting to speculate in the chances this.
Q u o t e:
This migration, to a server that will do nothing to benefit the playability of the thousands of people who had planned to migrate to it, was ridiculously ineptly planned and some responsbility and should be taken on your part instead of a simple "sorry, this was really hard for us."
We don't care if it was hard for you, you aren't the one abandoning raids because for the millionth time this month because the lag has become inexcusably bad. That is why most people were moving by the way, no matter what you happen to think.
At the end of the day, the Dunemaul server is taking a stand against your ridiculously poor customer service and choosing to remain on a laggy server, which is already responsible for slowing down our progress in the game.
We are making this choice because frankly it is a better choice than the one you are offering us, which is shameful in it's utter irrelevance to the issues at hand.
I love your game, we love your game, we spent a long time planning this migration so as many people would benefit from your game as possible.
Why is it up to us to provide the customer service you lack? And why is it up to us to continually write messages on this board to point out exactly how ridiculous your migration plan is for this round (in our case) before you do anything other than write irrelevant replies?
I understand this very much, and can only repeat that migration is not and probably will never be considered a way to address technical problems. Lag and disconnect issues will be dealt with by addressing those issues, not by migrating all players away from the realms they affect. Unfortunately technical issues have affected this migration round a lot, making the migration from some realms extremely high and having an avalanche effect on others on those realms.
Your distinction between "full" and "unplayable" is a very important one, but migration exists to address "full". The "unplayable" can't direct how the migration is planned. If we did, the migration would not be player migrations but entire realm migrations (we have done some, and will most likely do some more, but that's due to site concerns and not for single realms).
Q u o t e:
You really disappointed a lot of players with this, and with it, any respect or patience we had with the continued lag issues (which are persisting to this very day), your customer service as a business (which has already been somewhat of a running joke in the MMO community since the day we bought the game) and your personal relationship with us Thundgot, as players looking for a decent guy to provide us with answers instead of pseudo politics.
As it stands, every single high end Dunemaul guild is staying, because your choice was not one worth us giving our time to embrace.
Maybe you should look at why and how best to appease what is now running into the thousands of players looking at you with disgust.
I understand your hands are tied, you're just a little go between, I'm talking to the morons above you who are refusing to entertain an option BETTER than the one they appear to have vomited forth for our consumption.
If you have nothing useful to reply to this post, don't bother.
Disappointed is the word.
That I realize and realized before I even sat down to make my first post today, and I will state that again and again if need be.
The lag and disconnects is wearing on everyone, and while I expect some angry comments for daring to mention (or claiming) it I can assure you that includes those working with it too. It's our top priority, and will continue to be as long as there are such issues.
But in the big picture it's not solvable by migration. Unfortunately.
I'll see whether I can get word out on the plans (apart from the authentication upgrade already posted), to give you a bit more insight to what we're doing on the technical front.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 11:25:08 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Your migration is of course voluntary, you really don't have to talk down to us in such childish terms, believe it or not, not everyone who plays wow and visits this forum with a complaint is a 10 year with learning disabilities.
You're right, we are very capable of making this decision, congratulations on the most pointless thing ever written.
We know, as players since day 1 that migrations will happen again, as the server becomes more and more unplayable (notice the word unplayable, as opposed to "full").
It was never my intention to talk down to anybody. I apologize if that's how it seemed.
I only wanted to make it clear we were not stuffing anybody onto a realm just because it could fit some more. The realm can definitiely benefit from an increase in population and we thus give you the opportunity to move there. I also wanted to point out the possibility (not certainty, barring the paid character-transfer service) of other opportunities later, without wanting to speculate in the chances this.
Q u o t e:
This migration, to a server that will do nothing to benefit the playability of the thousands of people who had planned to migrate to it, was ridiculously ineptly planned and some responsbility and should be taken on your part instead of a simple "sorry, this was really hard for us."
We don't care if it was hard for you, you aren't the one abandoning raids because for the millionth time this month because the lag has become inexcusably bad. That is why most people were moving by the way, no matter what you happen to think.
At the end of the day, the Dunemaul server is taking a stand against your ridiculously poor customer service and choosing to remain on a laggy server, which is already responsible for slowing down our progress in the game.
We are making this choice because frankly it is a better choice than the one you are offering us, which is shameful in it's utter irrelevance to the issues at hand.
I love your game, we love your game, we spent a long time planning this migration so as many people would benefit from your game as possible.
Why is it up to us to provide the customer service you lack? And why is it up to us to continually write messages on this board to point out exactly how ridiculous your migration plan is for this round (in our case) before you do anything other than write irrelevant replies?
I understand this very much, and can only repeat that migration is not and probably will never be considered a way to address technical problems. Lag and disconnect issues will be dealt with by addressing those issues, not by migrating all players away from the realms they affect. Unfortunately technical issues have affected this migration round a lot, making the migration from some realms extremely high and having an avalanche effect on others on those realms.
Your distinction between "full" and "unplayable" is a very important one, but migration exists to address "full". The "unplayable" can't direct how the migration is planned. If we did, the migration would not be player migrations but entire realm migrations (we have done some, and will most likely do some more, but that's due to site concerns and not for single realms).
Q u o t e:
You really disappointed a lot of players with this, and with it, any respect or patience we had with the continued lag issues (which are persisting to this very day), your customer service as a business (which has already been somewhat of a running joke in the MMO community since the day we bought the game) and your personal relationship with us Thundgot, as players looking for a decent guy to provide us with answers instead of pseudo politics.
As it stands, every single high end Dunemaul guild is staying, because your choice was not one worth us giving our time to embrace.
Maybe you should look at why and how best to appease what is now running into the thousands of players looking at you with disgust.
I understand your hands are tied, you're just a little go between, I'm talking to the morons above you who are refusing to entertain an option BETTER than the one they appear to have vomited forth for our consumption.
If you have nothing useful to reply to this post, don't bother.
Disappointed is the word.
That I realize and realized before I even sat down to make my first post today, and I will state that again and again if need be.
The lag and disconnects is wearing on everyone, and while I expect some angry comments for daring to mention (or claiming) it I can assure you that includes those working with it too. It's our top priority, and will continue to be as long as there are such issues.
But in the big picture it's not solvable by migration. Unfortunately.
I'll see whether I can get word out on the plans (apart from the authentication upgrade already posted), to give you a bit more insight to what we're doing on the technical front.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 10:20:30 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
90% of the Stonemaul alliance is Russian
I don't have access to check the nationality of all account migrated, but far from 90% of the accounts currently on Stonemaul come from Warsong which is known for having a significant number of Russian players.
While language and nationality concerns is naturally something we keep in mind, we do not consider any realm as belonging to any language other than what it's tagged as - English, French or German. We will not close migration to a realm because it's percieved to be dominated by a language. Scepticism is to be expected and thus it may fill up slower. We won't abandon it to low population though.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 10:34:17 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
So you gladly "fill it up" with us then no matter how the community of Dunemaul feel about it?
There's no force in migration. It's up to each player whether he/she want to migrate, and I think you're very capable of making that decision. And nothing says this is the last chance to migrate from Dunemaul, though I won't speculate in the chances of open migration being made available in the very near future. That depends on the numbers of all other migrations too.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 10:48:41 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Zenedar - Top guilds not migrating - Guilds killed Cthun
Ravencrest - Top guilds not migrating - Guilds killed Cthun
NOW How come you give THEM a new fresh realm??
Ravencrest and Zenedar go to Tarren Mill because the migration from those realms were always indicated as being very low. As one of the major tasks right now is to migrate players off Frostmane and Grim Batol - which are wildcards in this migration - having such low migration to Tarren Mill means the risks involved in migrating players from Frostmane and Grim Batol are much smaller.
If Tarren Mill would be populated with thousands of players from Deathwing and Dunemaul, and the Frostmane / Grim Batol migration turned out to be very large, Tarren Mill would end up in the situation Grim Batol is in now. I'm sure those migrating from Frostmane and Grim Batol would be rather upset about that.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/20/2006 11:25:08 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration *edited post* |
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Q u o t e:
Your migration is of course voluntary, you really don't have to talk down to us in such childish terms, believe it or not, not everyone who plays wow and visits this forum with a complaint is a 10 year with learning disabilities.
You're right, we are very capable of making this decision, congratulations on the most pointless thing ever written.
We know, as players since day 1 that migrations will happen again, as the server becomes more and more unplayable (notice the word unplayable, as opposed to "full").
It was never my intention to talk down to anybody. I apologize if that's how it seemed.
I only wanted to make it clear we were not stuffing anybody onto a realm just because it could fit some more. The realm can definitiely benefit from an increase in population and we thus give you the opportunity to move there. I also wanted to point out the possibility (not certainty, barring the paid character-transfer service) of other opportunities later, without wanting to speculate in the chances this.
Q u o t e:
This migration, to a server that will do nothing to benefit the playability of the thousands of people who had planned to migrate to it, was ridiculously ineptly planned and some responsbility and should be taken on your part instead of a simple "sorry, this was really hard for us."
We don't care if it was hard for you, you aren't the one abandoning raids because for the millionth time this month because the lag has become inexcusably bad. That is why most people were moving by the way, no matter what you happen to think.
At the end of the day, the Dunemaul server is taking a stand against your ridiculously poor customer service and choosing to remain on a laggy server, which is already responsible for slowing down our progress in the game.
We are making this choice because frankly it is a better choice than the one you are offering us, which is shameful in it's utter irrelevance to the issues at hand.
I love your game, we love your game, we spent a long time planning this migration so as many people would benefit from your game as possible.
Why is it up to us to provide the customer service you lack? And why is it up to us to continually write messages on this board to point out exactly how ridiculous your migration plan is for this round (in our case) before you do anything other than write irrelevant replies?
I understand this very much, and can only repeat that migration is not and probably will never be considered a way to address technical problems. Lag and disconnect issues will be dealt with by addressing those issues, not by migrating all players away from the realms they affect. Unfortunately technical issues have affected this migration round a lot, making the migration from some realms extremely high and having an avalanche effect on others on those realms.
Your distinction between "full" and "unplayable" is a very important one, but migration exists to address "full". The "unplayable" can't direct how the migration is planned. If we did, the migration would not be player migrations but entire realm migrations (we have done some, and will most likely do some more, but that's due to site concerns and not for single realms).
Q u o t e:
You really disappointed a lot of players with this, and with it, any respect or patience we had with the continued lag issues (which are persisting to this very day), your customer service as a business (which has already been somewhat of a running joke in the MMO community since the day we bought the game) and your personal relationship with us Thundgot, as players looking for a decent guy to provide us with answers instead of pseudo politics.
As it stands, every single high end Dunemaul guild is staying, because your choice was not one worth us giving our time to embrace.
Maybe you should look at why and how best to appease what is now running into the thousands of players looking at you with disgust.
I understand your hands are tied, you're just a little go between, I'm talking to the morons above you who are refusing to entertain an option BETTER than the one they appear to have vomited forth for our consumption.
If you have nothing useful to reply to this post, don't bother.
Disappointed is the word.
That I realize and realized before I even sat down to make my first post today, and I will state that again and again if need be.
The lag and disconnects is wearing on everyone, and while I expect some angry comments for daring to mention (or claiming) it I can assure you that includes those working with it too. It's our top priority, and will continue to be as long as there are such issues.
But in the big picture it's not solvable by migration. Unfortunately.
I'll see whether I can get word out on the plans (apart from the authentication upgrade already posted), to give you a bit more insight to what we're doing on the technical front.
That there is one damn fine epic you're wearin'.
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/25/2006 4:03:42 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Sorry for not responding earlier. Unfortunately I can't spend all my time on migration and the forums.
Q u o t e:
A slight bit OT but could we get some exact values or what the:
"Recommended"
"Low"
"Medium"
"Full"
means?
Check the sticky FAQ. :)
Q u o t e:
This means that both Deathwing and Dunemaul are considered as high population realms. There wont be an exodus as we had planned at first, the Deathwing and Dunemaul realms WILL remain full, meaning that there is another migration needed later to balance server population.
Population-wise Deathwing and Dunemaul are not in need of an exodus. They're Full, yes, but do not experience very long queues like other realms did prior to the migration. Another migration later on is not impossible though.
Q u o t e:
Dear Thundgot, could you answer one question please, do our realms Deathwing and Dunemaul playerbase opinion matters to you or not?
Yes.
Q u o t e:
would players signing in one thread for migration to fresh and empty server (not semi-full, after migration = full and we back where we started) change anything?
No. As I've pointed out before we've already taken this into account.
Q u o t e:
Thundgot, we had our first small queue on Kazzak the other day.
The population numbers show that Kazzak hasn't even been near having a queue. Please take a screenshot of it next time. I'll forward it to the devs and ask them whether the number display is wrong for Kazzak only, or whether there's a possibility of a queue showing up for other reasons.
Q u o t e:
while Stormrage and turalyon are at medium.
Stormrage and Turalyon are both marked Full.
Q u o t e:
If migration is not made to resolve some of the technical issues that are connected to a server being overloaded during peak hours (lag, disconnects etc) then I think you had better remove the official information on your character move faq page Thundgot.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/faq/charactermove.html
Quoute:
"How did you decide what realms are eligible for moves?
Our Customer support team carefully choose the highest populations realms which will be eligible to move to a low-population realm. The decision to disperse the populations on these realms was made to increase realm performance and to alleviate queues."
What value do you put in the word "increase realm performance"? You just stated that performance issues on a server is not a reason for migration.
Again, we understand that you are merely the messenger, but the way you are communicating now with your loyal customers is confusing (understatement)
Balancing the population between the realms does has some effect on the performance, but not to the degree we see when talking about the lag and disconnection issues these days. I'll see whether we can have the FAQ clarified, as it's been written quite some time ago.
Q u o t e:
Thundgot, would blizzard be 'kind' enough to throw some numbers of people that actually migrated? ( since they were able to tell how many acounts each server can handle ).
My bet is:
max 80-120 ppl moved from dunemaul.
I'm afraid exact numbers are not for me to give out, but it's a lot more than your guess.
Tauren Human Undead Nightelf Dwarf Gnome Orc Troll
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/25/2006 7:54:36 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
If you don't take the offer, don't be so quick in stating that we have no serious issues on Dunemaul. How can you tell from behind your desk???
I have never stated that Dunemaul does not have serious issues. I have tried to explain that moderation is not considered a tool to fix those issues, however.
Q u o t e:
Forget numbers, are they what you expected or not?
The numbers for the first four days is as expected considering the migration feedback after the realm announcements were made. They're of course not as high as indicated and expected prior to the decision about which realms Dunemaul and Deathwing were migrating to.
Q u o t e:
Either way, is there any plan on offering some solution to the 3000 ish players on Dunemaul and Deathwing who still wish to move?
There are currently no plans to give realms that have had a chance to migrate a second chance at it until we've been through all high-population realms. It seems fairly clear that what Deathwing and Dunemaul players want fixed is the performance issues, which we continue to work on as a top priority.
Tauren Human Undead Nightelf Dwarf Gnome Orc Troll
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Poster: Thundgot at 5/25/2006 9:36:49 AM PDT
Subject: Re: Deathwing and Dunemaul migration |
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Q u o t e:
Sorry, but after months of problems, with 2 weeks of total unplayability (btw, where are our refunds), you have to provide at least:
- an explanation for the problems
- the actions you are taking to fix them
- an ETA
Doing what I can on that. This is not the thread for it though. Deathwing and Dunemaul are not the only realms affected by those issues.
Tauren Human Undead Nightelf Dwarf Gnome Orc Troll
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