Poster: Markka at 10/31/2005 7:24:01 AM PST
Subject: Devs, Raiding Paradigm a Failure |
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To the developers. Don't worry about hitting 1.9 for the opening of Silithus. I really don't think most people will mind.
You guys seem like good folk, and even though you won't tell us how many people at any given time have an existing Raid Cooldown Counter let me give you my take.
I read a blog where you guys said at Blizzcon that at peak hours you see.
500 MC
1500 Onyxia
250 BWL
700 Zul'Gurub
If that is true then about 2.3% of the population is raiding at peak hours. From that I would garner that means about 25-35% of the population raid.
Even then, over half of that is an extremly short glorified world encounter that most people say takes about an hour.
So from those numbers at peak time you will see about that about .6% of the population will be in your 40 man and about .3% of your population will be in your new 20 man. At most 20% of your population is going to see these instances anytime soon. This is not worth upsetting your spouse over.
The entirety of the instance content for over 7 months and a majority of the end-game useful world content are devoted to these people. They should not be upset if you delay this to 1.10.
Unless over 75% of your population raids these nightly, I don't see it worth losing family time over to hit a deadline that doesn't matter.
I can't see most people caring about the world event either as this seems to just be something to harken the opening to a gate most of us can't enter.
You seemingly have decided that Psychologists are wrong when they say that most people don't socialize in groups over 5, but believe me it is true. Sit in a room with 10 people and you will see the people form several distinct conversations even if the people are friends.
You have also decided to try and split the middle and put out 20 mans which doesn't offer enough incentive to raiders and is still too large for people to call out for in IF. This is likely why your ZG numbers are so low.
You gave us grouping stones, but no way for us to see any progress on the group being formed. Also, with raid lockouts and difficult content most raiders don't want to mess with casuals anyway.
I am actually intriqued that you might make 10 man instances. If you consider Strat and Scholo 10 mans then I will do hand stands, but even if you make it so it requires 10 I will still be happier than I have been in 7 months about any new instance content.
But really, go home and be with your families as it won't make any difference if this gets pushed back.
Yes, I am extremely irritated at the recent direction of WoW. I usually associate with 8 people and have no desire to enter a raiding guild. All of them have considered quitting lately out of lack of anything meaningful to do. I was also looking forward to Medivh's tower and your notes essentially read to me "Medivh's Tower cancelled".
Do yourself a favor and hire some sociologists or psychologists to analyze your current direction as I think you will be surprised by the results. It is also a bad idea advertising something like Silithus and not following through, or advertising a game as casual and reversing direction.
If you have stuck this post through and read all of it as opposed to burying your head in the sand there is still hope.[ post edited by Markka ]
| | | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=213441&p=#post213441 | | | Poster: Tigole at 10/31/2005 7:53:23 AM PST
Subject: Re: Devs, Raiding Paradigm a Failure |
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Actually, my point was, that we are looking towards doing many 5 man dungeons in the Burning Crusade. As for Karazhan, our current thought is that it would be a 10 person raid. You mention that you hang out with 8 people -- I think Karazhan would be well within your reach.
In any event, things will change over time, as we play the Burning Crusade in beta and get a feel for what players want and need.
We're not going to do anything to deliberately alienate anyone from the game. We try very hard to keep players happy -- from casual to hardcore.
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