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Q u o t e:
AAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GIVE US MORE INFO CAY PLSSSS

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46 points in Balance for average to fast killing speed, doesnt sound too promising to me. /sigh

I hate grouping because I dont like to be main healer, I made the class for the forms, the only thing I have for my druid now is "hope", right now I could grind all day with my uber 50 dps in bear form, and not have any downtime. We need damage, plain and simple.

So like I said at the beginning of the post, 46 points in balance for average killing speed, sounds like a real winner. /sigh

-Hak

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Well Cay, sounds like damage has been increased and casting time reduced for balance spells to knock off a 59 elite. Currently, if I try to play hardball with wrath against such creatures, I have to resort to bear to finish the job. I'd like to see catform be able to do the same thing.

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Sounds bad already. No superior form in 31 talent. I don't think dev quite realizes the problems in cat form.

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This is the thing about this class in general, I hate to love it, I am the type of person that will argue in guild chat for an hour trying to enlighten people why we need/deserve buffs. That can be a very hard thing to do since most people have the mentality, the only class that needs to be buffed is our own and everyone elses class is fine where its at.

I have a 60 hunter, 56 druid, and 54 shaman, my favorite character of these three is my druid. Not because I like playing him, which I dont, its because I love the "potential" the class has. The class has this enormous weight, that I doubt we will ever be able to shake, and thats the Druid = Healer. And since we have to be healers, people come to the conculsion that we shouldnt do damage. I am horde, we have shaman, I have a shaman, my brother rolls around on a 60 shaman, I am sorry but shaman can be very good healers, but no one expects them to heal because they can actually put out some damage. I want people to be impressed with druids for more then their healing or survivability. Being able to get away, doesnt mean I can kill.

I hate literally having to take a minute to kill an even level mob in bear form, sure I have nice armor, but the fact the fight takes so much longer how much benefit do we really get out of this damage reduction?

I would like to appologize for this post, since most people will see this as a joyous occasion.

-Hak

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Did I read that right... You said you soloed (not sure about the soloed part??) a 59 elite demon in winterspring and he didnt touch you?

I will have to go have a hack at these guys when I am next on. I know they can be kited, but imagine it is a painfully slow process.

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I have a 0/19/32 build Druid. It takes me about 15 seconds to kill a non-elite 60. So you say, you killed a 59 elite in 15 seconds. COOL. Maybe the changes will be better than I thought.

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Cay, that is kiting ><.

By definition of the WoW handbook!

Kiting: A style of combat in which a player continually stays out of combat range of an enemy while simultaneously causing damage to it.

^^

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im just wondering how the hell they can fix feral forms if they are not going to add weapon dmg while in forms, seems impossible to fix it.

its also stupid that 'the dev's way is the only way'. sure they getting paid for what they do but they dont always do what MORE THEN 70 % OF THIS FORUM WANTS !!!! whats the point then ? we are PLAYING the game, not the devs, its just a job for them :-/

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Its called root kiting cay... you played EQ... everyone called it that in EQ too =P

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So to delve completely into your post like the information starved druid that i am....

If you shifted position 3 times... then i can only assume you had to recast roots 3 times. Since roots has a MAXIMUM length of 30ish seconds then i would normally assume your fight took 1.5-2 minutes.

But unless the internal test realms are any different then normal server realms, and roots DOESNT break immediatly after the creature rooted is hit with a spell.... You you either moved more than 3 times, took a beating while casting/tanking in caster form.... Or... the final conclusion.... Killed a 59 elite in 3-4 spell casts... which is highly unlikely...

So which is it!! :P

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caydiem,

i know how many times its been stated that weapon damage should not carry over to forms...but it really really hurts when i swing my unstoppable force for 600+ a hit sometimes in caster form, then i shapeshift to bear form and do >120 a hit. Is it possible for the item designers to put weapons in the game w/ very low dps (say a lvl 60 mace w/ 30 dps) and +200 to str or agi? These items could be druid class only. Their purpose would be very obviosly to up feral damage. They could be epic. They could be from a **gasp** druid class quest. Maybe from moonglade?

excuse my typos im tired.

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About time balance can do something. I'll say it again: It's good to take out a 59 elite demon that can mortal strike you for 1337 by rooting and casting. On my way there, I had to kill my pet chimera, Brumeran, the 58 elite named chimera.
I wanted to make sure my abilities were still capable. Normally, a druid casting damage spells on an elite is more tickling the creature than hurting it. Tomorrow we will hear of your exploits using feral. And please use the same demon. Thank you.

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I'm sorry caydiem, wasnt sure you were still reading. I appologize. Just wanted your opinion on this idea.

I'm leaving the boards now.

Sorry again.

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Q u o t e:
Doing the same thing with the feral talents if you can /copy your live realm char to internal (dont respec... unless... you want to...) would be a big <3 in my book.

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Q u o t e:
AAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GIVE US MORE INFO CAY PLSSSS

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Q u o t e:
46 points in Balance for average to fast killing speed, doesnt sound too promising to me. /sigh

I hate grouping because I dont like to be main healer, I made the class for the forms, the only thing I have for my druid now is "hope", right now I could grind all day with my uber 50 dps in bear form, and not have any downtime. We need damage, plain and simple.

So like I said at the beginning of the post, 46 points in balance for average killing speed, sounds like a real winner. /sigh

-Hak

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[ post edited by Caydiem ]

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Q u o t e:
Well Cay, sounds like damage has been increased and casting time reduced for balance spells to knock off a 59 elite. Currently, if I try to play hardball with wrath against such creatures, I have to resort to bear to finish the job. I'd like to see catform be able to do the same thing.

---

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Q u o t e:
Sounds bad already. No superior form in 31 talent. I don't think dev quite realizes the problems in cat form.

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Q u o t e:
This is the thing about this class in general, I hate to love it, I am the type of person that will argue in guild chat for an hour trying to enlighten people why we need/deserve buffs. That can be a very hard thing to do since most people have the mentality, the only class that needs to be buffed is our own and everyone elses class is fine where its at.

I have a 60 hunter, 56 druid, and 54 shaman, my favorite character of these three is my druid. Not because I like playing him, which I dont, its because I love the "potential" the class has. The class has this enormous weight, that I doubt we will ever be able to shake, and thats the Druid = Healer. And since we have to be healers, people come to the conculsion that we shouldnt do damage. I am horde, we have shaman, I have a shaman, my brother rolls around on a 60 shaman, I am sorry but shaman can be very good healers, but no one expects them to heal because they can actually put out some damage. I want people to be impressed with druids for more then their healing or survivability. Being able to get away, doesnt mean I can kill.

I hate literally having to take a minute to kill an even level mob in bear form, sure I have nice armor, but the fact the fight takes so much longer how much benefit do we really get out of this damage reduction?

I would like to appologize for this post, since most people will see this as a joyous occasion.

-Hak

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Did I read that right... You said you soloed (not sure about the soloed part??) a 59 elite demon in winterspring and he didnt touch you?

I will have to go have a hack at these guys when I am next on. I know they can be kited, but imagine it is a painfully slow process.

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[ post edited by Caydiem ]

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Q u o t e:
I have a 0/19/32 build Druid. It takes me about 15 seconds to kill a non-elite 60. So you say, you killed a 59 elite in 15 seconds. COOL. Maybe the changes will be better than I thought.

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Cay, that is kiting ><.

By definition of the WoW handbook!

Kiting: A style of combat in which a player continually stays out of combat range of an enemy while simultaneously causing damage to it.

^^

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im just wondering how the hell they can fix feral forms if they are not going to add weapon dmg while in forms, seems impossible to fix it.

its also stupid that 'the dev's way is the only way'. sure they getting paid for what they do but they dont always do what MORE THEN 70 % OF THIS FORUM WANTS !!!! whats the point then ? we are PLAYING the game, not the devs, its just a job for them :-/

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Q u o t e:
Its called root kiting cay... you played EQ... everyone called it that in EQ too =P

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So to delve completely into your post like the information starved druid that i am....

If you shifted position 3 times... then i can only assume you had to recast roots 3 times. Since roots has a MAXIMUM length of 30ish seconds then i would normally assume your fight took 1.5-2 minutes.

But unless the internal test realms are any different then normal server realms, and roots DOESNT break immediatly after the creature rooted is hit with a spell.... You you either moved more than 3 times, took a beating while casting/tanking in caster form.... Or... the final conclusion.... Killed a 59 elite in 3-4 spell casts... which is highly unlikely...

So which is it!! :P

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caydiem,

i know how many times its been stated that weapon damage should not carry over to forms...but it really really hurts when i swing my unstoppable force for 600+ a hit sometimes in caster form, then i shapeshift to bear form and do >120 a hit. Is it possible for the item designers to put weapons in the game w/ very low dps (say a lvl 60 mace w/ 30 dps) and +200 to str or agi? These items could be druid class only. Their purpose would be very obviosly to up feral damage. They could be epic. They could be from a **gasp** druid class quest. Maybe from moonglade?

excuse my typos im tired.

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About time balance can do something. I'll say it again: It's good to take out a 59 elite demon that can mortal strike you for 1337 by rooting and casting. On my way there, I had to kill my pet chimera, Brumeran, the 58 elite named chimera.
I wanted to make sure my abilities were still capable. Normally, a druid casting damage spells on an elite is more tickling the creature than hurting it. Tomorrow we will hear of your exploits using feral. And please use the same demon. Thank you.

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Q u o t e:
I'm sorry caydiem, wasnt sure you were still reading. I appologize. Just wanted your opinion on this idea.

I'm leaving the boards now.

Sorry again.

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Q u o t e:
Doing the same thing with the feral talents if you can /copy your live realm char to internal (dont respec... unless... you want to...) would be a big <3 in my book.

---

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Q u o t e:
AAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GIVE US MORE INFO CAY PLSSSS

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Q u o t e:
46 points in Balance for average to fast killing speed, doesnt sound too promising to me. /sigh

I hate grouping because I dont like to be main healer, I made the class for the forms, the only thing I have for my druid now is "hope", right now I could grind all day with my uber 50 dps in bear form, and not have any downtime. We need damage, plain and simple.

So like I said at the beginning of the post, 46 points in balance for average killing speed, sounds like a real winner. /sigh

-Hak

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[ post edited by Caydiem ]

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Q u o t e:
Well Cay, sounds like damage has been increased and casting time reduced for balance spells to knock off a 59 elite. Currently, if I try to play hardball with wrath against such creatures, I have to resort to bear to finish the job. I'd like to see catform be able to do the same thing.

---

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Q u o t e:
Sounds bad already. No superior form in 31 talent. I don't think dev quite realizes the problems in cat form.

---

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Q u o t e:
This is the thing about this class in general, I hate to love it, I am the type of person that will argue in guild chat for an hour trying to enlighten people why we need/deserve buffs. That can be a very hard thing to do since most people have the mentality, the only class that needs to be buffed is our own and everyone elses class is fine where its at.

I have a 60 hunter, 56 druid, and 54 shaman, my favorite character of these three is my druid. Not because I like playing him, which I dont, its because I love the "potential" the class has. The class has this enormous weight, that I doubt we will ever be able to shake, and thats the Druid = Healer. And since we have to be healers, people come to the conculsion that we shouldnt do damage. I am horde, we have shaman, I have a shaman, my brother rolls around on a 60 shaman, I am sorry but shaman can be very good healers, but no one expects them to heal because they can actually put out some damage. I want people to be impressed with druids for more then their healing or survivability. Being able to get away, doesnt mean I can kill.

I hate literally having to take a minute to kill an even level mob in bear form, sure I have nice armor, but the fact the fight takes so much longer how much benefit do we really get out of this damage reduction?

I would like to appologize for this post, since most people will see this as a joyous occasion.

-Hak

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Q u o t e:
Did I read that right... You said you soloed (not sure about the soloed part??) a 59 elite demon in winterspring and he didnt touch you?

I will have to go have a hack at these guys when I am next on. I know they can be kited, but imagine it is a painfully slow process.

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[ post edited by Caydiem ]

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Q u o t e:
I have a 0/19/32 build Druid. It takes me about 15 seconds to kill a non-elite 60. So you say, you killed a 59 elite in 15 seconds. COOL. Maybe the changes will be better than I thought.

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Q u o t e:
Cay, that is kiting ><.

By definition of the WoW handbook!

Kiting: A style of combat in which a player continually stays out of combat range of an enemy while simultaneously causing damage to it.

^^

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Q u o t e:
im just wondering how the hell they can fix feral forms if they are not going to add weapon dmg while in forms, seems impossible to fix it.

its also stupid that 'the dev's way is the only way'. sure they getting paid for what they do but they dont always do what MORE THEN 70 % OF THIS FORUM WANTS !!!! whats the point then ? we are PLAYING the game, not the devs, its just a job for them :-/

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Q u o t e:
Its called root kiting cay... you played EQ... everyone called it that in EQ too =P

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Q u o t e:
So to delve completely into your post like the information starved druid that i am....

If you shifted position 3 times... then i can only assume you had to recast roots 3 times. Since roots has a MAXIMUM length of 30ish seconds then i would normally assume your fight took 1.5-2 minutes.

But unless the internal test realms are any different then normal server realms, and roots DOESNT break immediatly after the creature rooted is hit with a spell.... You you either moved more than 3 times, took a beating while casting/tanking in caster form.... Or... the final conclusion.... Killed a 59 elite in 3-4 spell casts... which is highly unlikely...

So which is it!! :P

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Q u o t e:
caydiem,

i know how many times its been stated that weapon damage should not carry over to forms...but it really really hurts when i swing my unstoppable force for 600+ a hit sometimes in caster form, then i shapeshift to bear form and do >120 a hit. Is it possible for the item designers to put weapons in the game w/ very low dps (say a lvl 60 mace w/ 30 dps) and +200 to str or agi? These items could be druid class only. Their purpose would be very obviosly to up feral damage. They could be epic. They could be from a **gasp** druid class quest. Maybe from moonglade?

excuse my typos im tired.

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Q u o t e:
About time balance can do something. I'll say it again: It's good to take out a 59 elite demon that can mortal strike you for 1337 by rooting and casting. On my way there, I had to kill my pet chimera, Brumeran, the 58 elite named chimera.
I wanted to make sure my abilities were still capable. Normally, a druid casting damage spells on an elite is more tickling the creature than hurting it. Tomorrow we will hear of your exploits using feral. And please use the same demon. Thank you.

---

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Q u o t e:
I'm sorry caydiem, wasnt sure you were still reading. I appologize. Just wanted your opinion on this idea.

I'm leaving the boards now.

Sorry again.

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Q u o t e:
Doing the same thing with the feral talents if you can /copy your live realm char to internal (dont respec... unless... you want to...) would be a big <3 in my book.

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